Conan O'Brien

And you bring them, you're so true to what you want to do that you start getting it from both sides.

You get white people saying, or white, you know, it's a network note, I think sometimes.

It's not a network note.

I shouldn't say that.

The show is too black.

And you're too black.

Okay.

But, you know, that's you get that, OK, which people would probably.

It wasn't his best rhyme.

But, you know, that's the point I'm making is that you, yes, you're getting these notes from white people saying it's too black, but you're also at the same time getting flack from the black community saying it's not black enough.

And you get some flack from, you know, Spike Lee and you get some flack from some other people who say this hasn't gone far enough.

And why is Ed Asner on before me?

Well, this is the thing, is that you're in this bind because you can't make everybody happy.

Because you strike me, I think there are some similarities between us.

I think that I try to pretend things don't hurt me, but they do.

And I know you and everyone knows you to be a really decent, good person.

I think that it did really bother you probably to get, it hurts because you're so trying to make everyone happy with this show.

And then suddenly you're thinking, okay, I accept that there's a white executive who doesn't understand, but I would think Spike Lee.

Going back to your origin story, your dad was a preacher and very charismatic, performing preacher, and you're looking up, admiring this guy, and you talk in your book about how it meant the world to you to try and please him, and that you're still trying to do that to this day.

You go through, and I know what you're talking about,