Conor Moules

And like, obviously some startups in Dublin have more crystal than they have customers.

Like, you know what I mean?

Cut that one.

Shots fired.

forgive me but we've never really went into that that game I believe it's like you need to control your ego big time but like one of the things that did happen this year is that we got onto the sifted 100 list for Ireland and the UK yes

I was teasing her, going, no, the Fox founders fund.

But things like that come along that lift everything, lift momentum, lift the team.

Especially if you don't go looking for it.

We had one last year before where we were put on like, obviously these lists are largely PR kind of work, but we were put on the wired top 50 startups for Europe or something like that.

Like these little things along the way will be sent to you that will keep you going, but they won't come unless you stay in the saddle.

That's the thing.

It's a bit cliche, but I think the hard thing about hard things is pretty good.

Especially if you're a CEO founder, like it's learning to cue glass and staring to the abyss, as Elon says, is an important role.

And that's kind of like a step by step that I kind of would have started out on.

Another one that's quite interesting, actually, and especially kind of coming from my background of...

I'd say way more blue-collar than traditional kind of founders that I would spend a lot of time with.

Very different background.

I found very helpful was a book called Hustle Harder by Curtis Jackson, you know, 50 Cent.

Hustle Harder.

That was definitely the first recommendation on that one.