Coral Davenport

that that's like a lawsuit that he wants to have and take to the Supreme Court because he is so confident that he will win.

Yes.

And, you know, I can't say that this is going to be the exact vehicle, but they are definitely trying to line up these cases and kind of line up these moments where they are intentionally pushing against what is seen as the lines of the law in order to engineer such a Supreme Court case.

Great question.

And he's definitely thought about this and he's talked about this.

He understands the people who he's working with very much understand that they're not going to stay in power, that they have a limited amount of time to do what they want to do.

So creating something permanent is the ultimate aim.

And so the way that Vote has described this is once they can kind of re-engineer presidential power to cut off spending to agencies and programs, the idea is basically starve them to death.

Cut off spending to foreign aid, to the Environmental Protection Agency, to agencies like the Federal Reserve.

Cut off all this spending so profoundly that even if a very liberal government

Democrat president comes in after Trump leaves, these agencies aren't just slimmed down or, you know, somewhat deprived of resources.

They've basically been scorched down to nothing.

And the idea is that it would need a generation or more for them to come back, that just turning on the spigots would not be enough to bring them back.

So Vogt has described how he thinks this would look.

He would call it radical constitutionalism.

He would say that he is trying to create a world that is what the founding fathers wanted.

I think we would see independent agencies completely beholden to the White House or not existing at all.

But we would also see the powers distributed really differently between the three branches of government with so much more power seated in the president.

Where any kind of program, whether it's social, scientific, environmental, no longer relies on that approval by Congress, but really depends forever on whether or not the president wants it to happen.

We would see a fundamentally remade three branches of government with a lot more power and authority in the executive and less checks and balances in the other two.