Coral Davenport

And there's this sense of these federal agencies are full of workers who he believes tend to be more liberal-leaning and are not loyal to the president.

That's exactly right.

The philosophy is expand the president's power and use it to shrink the federal government.

But in the end, all of these efforts were undone or reversed.

You know, the budget office was eventually forced to restore the Ukraine money.

All the other moves were reversed by the Biden administration.

He does.

And then Trump loses the election.

He has to leave the White House.

But really, from the very last months in the White House to the minute he leaves the White House, Vogt becomes obsessed with this idea of how can we do it different?

How can we take what we learned?

What went wrong?

How can we do it right?

How can we cut off this money and make it last?

And I talked to a lot of people who said he was so driven by this.

During these Biden years, during this kind of time in the wilderness, he...

just kind of becomes obsessed with like, all right, well, how can we do it and have it stick the next time?

So he leaves the Trump White House.

He goes and starts his own think tank.

It's called the Center for Renewing America.