Corey DeAngelis
Appearances
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And so even though Democrat voters want a better education for their kid and they want choice as well, the teachers unions influence those elected officials. It's special interest politics at its worst. They also influence them to close the schools as long as possible.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
You had the Chicago Teachers Union tweet out during COVID that the push to reopen schools is rooted in sexism, racism, and misogyny.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah, every buzzword. And genderism, you know. And I'm glad that that's not working anymore. And I think that unions... actually stepped on a rake. They overplayed their hand during the COVID era, and that showed families what the heck was happening in the classroom. We wouldn't have known a lot of this Marxism was in the government-run schools.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Maybe some families saw it here and there, but for the first time ever as a country, we were able to, at large scale, get a peek into some of the far-left lunatics who were running the government-run school system through remote learning, which, let's be real, we should have just called it remotely learning. There wasn't a lot of learning going on,
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
But families have been mobilized more than they've ever been before. And since COVID, we've had 14 states now, all controlled by Republican legislatures, go all in on school choice. Arizona is one of them, one of the first actually, to allow families to take that money that would have gone to their government school to a private or charter school.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
It's both of those things. I think it's actually more so than the outcomes. It's more so about parental rights and who gets to direct the upbringing of their children. I got into this as a libertarian. A limited government person. Okay, so you're making two arguments. One is values. Yeah, values as well. Values as well. Whose children are they? They're not the government's kids.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
They're not the teachers' union's kids, even though they just posted recently, right before we came here, that we've got to protect our kids. They always use language of ownership. It's a communist ideology. And I think that's what woke up so many people with recent elections, too. You look at the Trump versus Harris election.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Republicans typically don't do well on education because they don't throw more money at the problem. But right before the election, there were two nationally representative surveys by Atlas Intel, which was the most accurate pollster in 2020, and they correctly predicted Trump winning all the swing states in 2024. They both found that Trump was beating Kamala Harris on education.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And I think that's because it's changed from a conversation about who's going to throw more money at the problem to who's going to respect my right as a parent. And Trump won the parent vote by nine points too.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah, so anyways, you can't use self-esteem training to- So when we started seeing the videos from Libs of TikTok and otherwise of critical race theory in the classroom and teachers bragging about how they were injecting gender ideology into the schools, A lot of people would ask me how prevalent is this stuff anyway?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And it's like I'm seeing it all the time, and parents are complaining about it at the school boards where they were later labeled as domestic terrorists for doing so, and they had their mics cut off. But there was a nationally representative survey that just came out earlier this year in January that found that 36% of kids –
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
in high school reported that their teacher often or almost daily said that America is a fundamentally racist country. And there were a lot of other findings in that survey as well as by Education Next. And that was the first that I saw that this is actually a wide scale phenomenon. My first reaction- It's the norm.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah, when people would, like, I didn't have, like, a data point to point to, and I had the sense. When was this? When did you figure this out? This survey was January of this year. This just happened.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
So you didn't realize how widespread it was until that survey. You know, because I'd get asked this all the time, like, Corey, is it really a big problem? And I'd say, well, we're hearing about it all the time. If it's a big problem for this parent, then this is a big enough deal for us to change something, right?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
If that parent is unhappy, they should have a choice to go somewhere else, even if it's only 1% of the time. Well, now we know it's not just 1% of the time. It's all the time. It's everywhere.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
I'd also say on the teenage pregnancy thing, we found a reduction in crime, but also a 38% reduction in paternity disputes, which could be caused by out-of-wedlock births or teenage pregnancies. Another separate study in New York City was a charter school experiment.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
So you're less likely to tolerate others' beliefs and think of them as a person? No, I don't think it's tolerance.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
No, I don't think it's that.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah, because you can't explain, well, maybe they have good motivations behind what they're thinking because they can't come up with those alternative theories.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
So I wonder if why there's selection into the education academia based on these predictors. Is it because... going into the school system is seen as an easier job with pretty good benefits, and so... Well, that's a good question.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Not barrier to entry. Right.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
I mean, these are all things. I had also seen a study that selection into education degrees was associated with risk aversion, too.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
So if you know you have a union protecting you, you have job security, even if it's not the highest pay, you're going to have a pension when you retire, you can't get fired if you do a bad job, you're not going to get paid any less if you're not doing as well as the person across the hallway. Right.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
You need... No merit pay. So the best teachers leave. The best teachers say, to heck with this. This person across the hall is showing videos all day, and they're getting paid the same, or more than me, just because they've been around the system longer. They reward years of service, not much. I mean... I mentioned earlier that spending has gone up by 164% in real terms since 1970.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Teacher salaries on average have actually only increased by about 3% in real terms. Right, so where's the bulk of the money going? So I think it's also going to pensions and other benefits too, but it's going towards administrative growth. Yeah, yeah. So the same thing that happened at the universities fundamentally. Same in healthcare. Yeah.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Since 2000, we have data on this in the U.S., and we've seen that enrollment for students has increased in this public school system by about 5% since 2000. The number of teachers in the system has increased about twice that rate, by about 10%. Yeah. Administrators have increased by about 95%. Yeah, right.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah. Yeah, it's become a jobs program for administrators.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
administrative bureaucracies that have an unlimited source of funding so they're just going to continue to grow it i don't know what it is five to seven percent a year or something like that and there's actually been four studies on this not a lot but it's what we have it's a really niche area of research that the more private and charter school competition in the area all else equal after they control for all the usual demographic characteristics
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
the public school teacher salaries slightly go up. And now a lot of people say, oh, that's counterintuitive because it's stealing money from the public schools, they say, which the money doesn't belong to the schools, it's for the kids. But all that aside,
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
because there's also competition, they start to allocate those additional dollars instead of towards administrators, they start to allocate them towards the classroom, towards the teachers, so the teachers who remain actually end up better off. Is that to stop the teachers moving into the private realm?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Stop them from going to the private sector, stop the kids from going to the private sector, because now there's a monopsony situation and a monopoly situation. Monopsy is a monopoly in the labor market. With the government school system, you want to be a teacher, you basically got to take what they give you.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
But now if you have more competition in the labor market too, competing for your excellence, if you're doing a good job, then the public schools have to say, you know what, we got to treat the teachers better too. Some teachers are underpaid, some teachers are overpaid. Depends on, you know, we try to treat everything as one size fits all in our current system.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
But that's an interesting finding that actually benefits teachers. But also we found in places like Florida, there is a control group of, you mentioned earlier about how do we compare systems. In Florida, there's 11 academic studies on this topic. 10 of them find positive effects of competition on the outcomes in the public schools. It's been a rising tide that lifts all boats.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And just over time, you can see it work out in Florida too. So a couple of decades ago, they were at the bottom of the pack on what we call the nation's report card, the math and reading scores. Now, US News and World Report has ranked Florida number one on education. They're at the top of the rankings for the nation's report card. And it's not because they pump more money into the system.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
They spend 27% less than the national average in Florida, but they have school choice for everybody. Same here in Arizona. They have school choice for everybody. If you like your public school, you can keep your public school for real this time, unlike with your doctor. Thanks, Obama, for lying about that. But the public schools in this case actually do get better in response to competition.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And we have studies all across the nation.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
I also did one more study on this issue, and I haven't brought it up in a long time because I've done like 40 peer-reviewed articles on school choice, which is really tough in the academia for education. The peers are your enemies, not your peers. Yeah, that's for sure. I'm amazed you managed that. So I mentioned that first study I did about school choice reducing crime later on in life.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
It was a very good study, the first of its kind. Long-term data, student-level data, very rigorous study. One of the reviewers in one of the first places we sent it was a journal called Urban Education. One of the reviewers said, you know, we like the methods and we buy that it's a causal relationship, but they said, you called the students urban students. You can't say that.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
They are students in urban areas. So it was like a politically correct thing. And I looked at their about the journal. The only reason we said that was because they said urban students in their own about the journal, total hypocrites on the issue. Why were they allowed to say it? But I wasn't allowed to say it, but they went further than that. They also said that
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
we have to reject this because you didn't talk about how the results relate to whiteness, structural oppression, and power. I mean, it's just so ridiculous. But the study I wanted to bring up about competition was actually in my home state of Texas. I did a survey experiment with my co-authors. So I randomly assigned different surveys to public school leaders in Texas. And one of the
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
The treatment group had a randomized note that said on one of the questions, you're going to have a new charter school that's expected to open nearby. And I was asking them where they were going to put their money next year, like where were they going to allocate resources?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And the treatment of having a charter school competing with you had the effect of reducing administrative allocations and having more of that money going to the classroom. Okay. Any idea why? Well, because they know that they might have to think about where they're going to spend money if they have a competitor, because if they waste the money, families are going to go there.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
That's what they tell you publicly, but privately they know that's all BS, which is what that study, because they didn't know what the study was doing. They just thought, I'm answering a simple survey question. And they didn't know whether they were the treatment group or not.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah, peer-reviewed. Yeah, well, over what period of time? Other ones that weren't peer-reviewed, but I almost think peer-review is a negative indicator at this point because of the peers that are looking at your study.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
2016, I want to say, was my first. So what is this, nine or so years? So you've published four or five studies a year. Yeah, and a lot of them were at the very beginning when I was in grad school because I thought that that mattered for getting an academic job. I thought it mattered. It did matter.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And I wasn't very serious on the job market, but I applied to like three schools, and most people will apply to like 100 if you're serious. But I knew I was probably going to go into a think tank where I'd be rewarded for my ideas as opposed to being punished with all the leftists. You mean when you were on the job market?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
When I was on the job market, my first think tank was called the Cato Institute. It's a libertarian think tank. And I moved to D.C. while I was finishing my Ph.D. like two and a half years into the program. I ended up finishing it. And I've slowed down publications since then. But, you know, some of these lefty departments didn't even give me a call.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
But I had like nearly a dozen peer-reviewed publications a few years into my Ph.D. program. How do you do that?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And some of the far lefty departments wouldn't even call me because they select based on ideology. They don't select based on productivity or intelligence or anything like that. But peer review articles are not the same thing as intelligence. I'll say that. Yeah. I found out really quickly that, and I'm glad I had a fork in the road. I did have an offer from one academic institution.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
It was Kennesaw State University in Georgia. And I think they had like a free market center there. So they were friendly.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
I also didn't do it seriously. Like three, you know, applying to three schools just to put my feet in the water to see what would happen is not the same thing as what most people do with, you know, they're applying to 100 different schools. True, true.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And so, you know— Okay, so you didn't have a full test of whether— Yeah, so it might have not—it might have been—I might have gotten more of a fair shake if I actually did a real— Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay, fair enough.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
So this one hit the national bestseller list, USA Today. The New York Times didn't put me on their list for some reason. But Trump endorsed the book. Vivek Ramaswamy, Pete Hegseth, Ted Cruz, my senator from Texas, he actually says on the back, you can ruin Randy Weingarten's day by reading this book. So there's that. But I also went to government schools all through K through 12.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
So I don't know how I did any of this. You can just check out my handwriting in the beginning. It's very horrible. I blame it on my government school education. It's to you, Jordan. I'm going to give it to you right after the recording. But I think the way that I really started to change the narrative when it came to school choice was talking about it differently.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
These days, we can just say school choice, and you and I know what we're talking about. But when I first entered the think tank world, I made a deliberate shift to talk about funding students, not systems. Oh, is that your phrase? That's my phrase I came up with. It's good to have a phrase.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
It puts the other side on defense because now if you want to argue with me, you have to say why we should fund the system and not the student. So it changes the burden of proof to be on them, whereas the school choice supporters for a long time have been trying to explain ourselves as to why families should have a choice as opposed to the other side.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Funding students, not systems. So it's more transparent. People know, like, this is the concept of the money following the child.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yep. And the other thing that is very useful in how I changed talking about this was that it really pointed out the hypocrisy of a lot of the Democrats, not just because they send their own kids to private school, but also because Democrats and other people who are supported by the teachers union, some of the rhinos, will support programs where the money follows the individual. Think about it.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
When we have grocery stores, which I mentioned earlier, we have food stamps everywhere. We don't say the food stamps must be spent at a signed Walmart.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And so we also do this with higher ed. It's not just that we do this with other industries. We do this with education too, higher ed. We have Pell Grants in the U.S. We have... The GI Bill, these are taxpayer dollars that can be used at private universities if you want, and it follows the decision of the student.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Am I pronouncing that exactly right? Yeah, DeAngelis like Los Angeles, but I'm not a real doctor. I'm more like a Jill Biden doctor. Got a PhD in education policy. Oh, yes. Where from? University of Arkansas. I see. When did you get that? Pretty recently, actually. Well, I'm getting older now. It's 2018 or so. I got the PhD. And I studied school choice policy. How come you didn't get brainwashed?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah, because the status quo would always say we need public money for public schools. And my quick response was, well, you support public taxpayer dollars for private everything else when it comes to higher ed. You support Pell Grants that go to private religious schools. You support vouchers when it comes to hospitals. We have Medicaid vouchers.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
You can take that to a religiously affiliated hospital if you want. We do this with pre-K. We have the Head Start programs. All the Democrats support it. It's a pre-K program where the money follows your decision to a private provider of pre-K, even a religious one. Has that helped Head Start? Do you know? Has it improved its quality? Head Start evaluations are horrible.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
They find that it spends a lot of money, and they don't improve outcomes. Most of the results are null results.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
I don't think that was the RCT, though. I think that was more of like a regression with controls. Could be.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And the latest pre-K evaluation statewide was in Tennessee. Yeah, when was that? That was a few years ago. They followed them through sixth grade. Oh, yeah. And it was a randomized control trial. They found that those who won the lottery were worse off academically and behaviorally by the end of sixth grade. Okay, won the lottery meaning...
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
You won a lottery to get a scholarship to go to pre-K relative to the families who lost the lottery and stayed with their parents.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Maybe because the parents have an advantage at raising their own kids. Maybe they're better at disciplining the kids at home.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
But you're saying that the more recent- The more recent Tennessee experiment, which is the latest one, RCT, negative effects on academics and behavior through sixth grade, which is the last year of the study. And I'd also say on the teenage pregnancy thing, that's another important outcome that we looked at in our follow-up crime study that was published in the Journal of Private Enterprise.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
We found a reduction in crime, but also a 38% reduction in paternity disputes, which could be caused by out-of-wedlock births or teenage pregnancies. And we also had a – there is an RCT. That was with Choice. That was with a voucher program in Milwaukee. That one was not an RCT. We did the best we could with – we even controlled for neighborhood and single-parent households and religiosity.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
All the – as many demographics as you could get to control for. But another separate study in New York City was a charter school experiment by Roland Fryer and his co-author, published in the Journal of Political Economy, I believe in 2015.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
I didn't. It was actually the Department of Education Reform. So 99% of education PhDs are Marxist institutions. Yes. This one was housed in the College of Education, but not a lot of people liked us there because it was the Department of Education Reform. Just the very name of the department implied that we're trying to shake things up to try to improve the education.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
They found that winning a lottery to go to a charter school in New York City decreased the likelihood of crime for male students, because we're the ones causing all the trouble, by 100%. It was a complete elimination for lottery winners through the study period. I don't remember how long they covered. It might not have lasted forever.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
But through the study period, it was like 5% were incarcerated for the control group in the public schools, lottery winners who got into the charter schools, 0%. So all this to say, on the Head Start thing, I don't bring up these analogies to say that we should, I'm not saying that I support Head Start or Pell Grants or food stamps. I'm saying if we're gonna spend the money,
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
We might as well fund the people as opposed to the buildings.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
They found that winning a lottery to go to a charter school in New York City decreased the likelihood of crime for male students by 100%.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah, can't get any worse, right? Yeah, well, maybe you... Whereas if you're taking them away from parents that are already doing a good job and you're kind of nudging them in that direction... they're going to be worse off.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
That's the latest experiment, and it's peer-reviewed, published. Oh, that's really too bad. And the head starts that I've seen as far as the RCTs had the fade-outs. But one more thing that I think that I added that was really important to the conversation about school choice. I mean, one thing, it's not all me, right? It was COVID that helped open the eyes of parents.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
I was just there with the right ideas laying around at the time, as Milton Friedman famously put it. Yeah, yeah. We were taking a bipartisan strategy for a long time to get school choice, and I'm sure you've heard this before where people say school choice is a civil rights issue of our time.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
We still have elected officials saying these things using left-leaning arguments to advance school choice, which I think they're all good arguments. It's true that the lowest income are in the worst schools, that they would benefit the most. School choice is an equalizer. But there's also right-leaning arguments you make about choosing schools that align with your values.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
The public schools are Marxist. We don't want gender ideology. We want schools that teach you that America is a great country, not a horrible country. And so you can make all these different types of arguments, but
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
When you go into a red state making blue state arguments, these lefty arguments, you might alienate some of the Republican legislators who might say, this isn't my issue, so I'm not going to lead on it. And then the Democrats, they're controlled by the teachers' unions anyway, so you're not going to make much ground with them
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Regardless of the argument you're making, they respond to power, not logic. And then if you alienate the Republicans, we weren't really getting school choice passed in blue states or red states in a meaningful way. But now it's become more of a GOP litmus test issue. Voters have gone to the ballot box and held the Republicans accountable for being against school choice.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
In Texas, my home state, we failed on school choice last year because we had 21 Republicans join all the Democrats in the House to kill school choice. And they came up with their arguments about how they were in rural areas and they didn't need to vote for this. But after the primaries, now 14 of them are gone. That was a political earthquake.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And now for the first time in Texas history, the House has 76 co-sponsors to pass a school choice bill. which has never happened, and you need 76 votes to pass a school choice vote.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Well, in Virginia, we had Mr. Terry, I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach, McAuliffe on the debate stage. He was the former governor of Virginia, and he said that at the final debate. He was up in the polls by a lot. It flipped right after that because parents were pissed. Virginia closed their schools just about more than any other state.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
They were as bad as California when it came to reopening the schools in Virginia. And Glenn Youngkin turned that into an opportunity. He laid out a blueprint for success for Republicans going forward. And Glenn Youngkin ended up winning that election by six points with education voters.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
I think it originally was funded by a grant from the Walton Family Foundation, and it still exists. There's professors there. My advisor is named Patrick Wolfe. And the Journal of School Choice is actually housed in that department. And Patrick Wolf did a lot of the early evaluations of voucher programs, like in D.C., for example.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And that was the number two issue in that election, which is a big deal because education is usually at the bottom. Voters, they rank jobs, the economy, crime at the top. Education was number two. And a Republican won on that issue in
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
You would think, but I think for a long time, people thought things were fine, right? Before they saw, I mean, if you're a high-income parent and you're sending your kid to the assigned public school, and it's consistently getting A ratings. Your kids coming home with A's on their report card, they get into great universities that are good on paper.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
the more that we talk about and see that there's a lot of left-leaning bias in the schools that might attract more people to want to change other people's children's views in that direction to select. So it's almost like it's a reinforced it's, it's,
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
They were able to use random lottery to determine the different outcomes for kids in the public schools versus the private schools. Much like a medical trial, you do the placebo for the kids who lose the lottery, which is the public school system business as usual.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah, we need alternative certification. So I think you're right that we have to have a multi-pronged approach. School choice isn't the silver bullet for everything. Neither is alternative certification. We should fight the battle on multiple fronts. And some people do set up this false dichotomy. They'll say, oh, you're saying school choice will cure everything. Well, not exactly.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
We should also reform the public school system. You should still go to your school board and try to change things because a lot of kids are still going to go to the public schools, whether you have school choice or not. But we also need an escape valve. I mean, for example –
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
If you only try to change the system from the top down, which is what we've done partially in my home state of Texas, some good tweaks. They've banned critical race theory. They're talking about banning DEI in public schools this year as well. We have Trump with his executive orders helping out as well. But we have undercover video from a group called Accuracy in Media.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
They've gone into all these public school districts in red states like my home state of Texas where they've gotten these administrators to admit on undercover video that they're still teaching things that are banned. Sure. Of course they are. And they're proud about it. They're like, yeah, we're still doing CRT, but we're just going to call it something else. How do you ban ideas?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Behind closed doors, they continue to do what they want.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Okay, so... So I'm not saying that we shouldn't try because it isn't perfect enforcement, but we should have both of these. We need top-down accountability but also bottom-up. If you're a parent, you get a whiff of these things happening. Even if you can't prove it before a judge and change the school system that way, you need to be able to say, you know what? Screw this.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
If you win the lottery to get a voucher to go to a private school, Wolf's evaluation, for example, in 2013 found about a 30 percent increase in the likelihood of graduating from high school from getting more educational opportunities through the voucher. And you can say it's – Yeah, randomized control trial.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
I'm sending my kids somewhere else. And I think that would give a pressure for the public schools to say, let's knock it off. I don't want to irritate anybody on the left or the right. I'm going to focus on the basics, math, reading, and writing. And then, you know, you're not going to have all of them. And so you might say, well, what about the private schools?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Some of them, they also operate in this kind of small market right now already when you don't have choice. But when you unleash the market and families can vote with their feet, you'll have a different supply of private schools pop up as well. Especially right now, we're pushing something called education savings accounts.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
It's kind of like a voucher where you can use it for a private school, but you can also use it for homeschooling, micro schooling. They were calling them pandemic pods during the COVID era where five to 10 children were getting together in a household, kind of like the one room schoolhouse idea.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Those are more likely to sprout up and you're more likely to have a thousand flowers blooming if you have these low cost options. And this has happened in Arizona too.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah, because if you only have a couple elite private schools and they're captured by the left, it's kind of like, okay, what can I do now? I'd say that's still better than the status quo where you have zero choices, but at least now you can take the funding. Hey, if you want to just homeschool your own kids and use it for the curriculum or private tutors,
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
That is a step in the right direction, even if it's not perfect.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Most of them now are. And Arizona has an education savings account. They've had one for over a decade. They just went all in in 2022, making it available to everybody. They actually crashed the government website in Arizona because so many families signed up right when they opened up the floodgates.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah, right. It's subsidy for- But it's a failing system that not a lot of people don't see it as a benefit.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
So you can say with a big enough sample with certainty that this is not because of the family characteristic of the student. It's not because of the student's racial background or their income. It's because of them getting a better opportunity to go to a better school. And so I did that kind of research when I started. My first study was actually with Dr. Wolf.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Think about a classroom of – 30 kids, that's $600,000. Where's all the money going? If the teacher's only making $60,000 a year on average, where's the rest?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
So that's over $120,000. You know, a lot of them make more than the president of the United States. We have a half a dozen or so who make over $400,000 a year.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
So one of the school districts in Texas, La Jolla ISD, made headlines recently because they had a big water park at their campus. So maybe that improves the self-esteem of the kids or whatever the teachers are trying to do these days. But it's just frivolous things. And you see this at the university level, too.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
They have these extravagant water parks and tuitions going up to cover these things and also subsidies from the government, too. But these micro schools are really shaking things up. The whole factory model itself is frightened because of this. In fact, when Trenda Micro Schools in Arizona was reporting just huge increases in enrollment during COVID because the government schools were closed.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
So families were figuring it out, and a lot of them went to these micro schools. The NEA, which is the largest labor union in the country, the National Education Association, they also lobbied the CDC to close the schools longer. They put out an opposition research sheet on Prenda Microschools and their founder, Kelly Smith, because they were so afraid of them –
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Of them basically providing something that they weren't providing to students. They knew they were going to lose funding because public schools are funded based on enrollment counts. And so if you lose some students, you're going to lose some money, whether you have a school choice program or not.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And in Arizona, you can use those education savings accounts to pay for Prenda micro schools and other ones too. Define micro school. Yeah. It's a miniature school, and there's a lot of different definitions for it, but basically a miniature private school. And during COVID era, it was basically five to ten children getting together in households to economize on homeschooling.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And you can either do it with one of the parents, you can take turns with the parents doing different subjects, or you can even hire a private tutor to do it as the teacher.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
So it saves taxpayer money, and most of these bills are passed at the state level. In the U.S., we're funded in the public school system in every state by the federal level, which should not exist at all. The word education is not in our constitution. It's an unconstitutional waste of time and money. But that's only about 8% of the total spending, 8% to 10%.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
The other $45,000, $45,000 are state and local dollars. These bills are typically passed in state legislatures, so it's about half of the total that follows the student. So let's say on average $10,000 versus the $20,000 that's spent in the government schools.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And we found that the Milwaukee voucher program that started in 1990, we found a huge reduction in crime later on in life. Oh, yeah. Shouldn't be very surprising. You're more likely to graduate high school.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
There have been some local vouchers that have passed in Colorado, a blue state. There was Douglas County had at once a couple decades ago passed a voucher program. It got nixed in the court by a lefty judge, and that program is no longer on the books.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
New Hampshire, which passed a state-level program, also proposed a bill a year or two ago in their legislature to also allow the local districts to have the money to follow the child if they opted in as well. That bill got tabled. That was one that was really exciting. I think that's the next step in the revolution.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
But at the same time, if the private schools are doing it for less and if the micro schools are doing a good job for less, do we want all of the dollars following the student? I think it should be equal across sectors. If we're going to spend the money, I think the state and local should follow the student, not just the state. But the reality is it's mostly – basically everywhere at this point.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
We didn't control for graduation, but it's probably closely linked. If you're more likely to graduate, you're probably going to be more likely to get a job, less likely to be involved with the criminal justice system.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah, changing the way people talk about school choice in terms of the money following the child. There's been a lot of legislators on the House floor, Senate floor, talking about funding students, not systems. So they've developed my arguments. And I think a lot of them follow me on social media. And politicians, again, they want to get reelected. They want to look good.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And so when they're following different influencers on social media, they want to look good in the public eye when they're debating the issue against the Democrats. Right. on the House and Senate floor. And so I think they've adopted some of the language and arguments and studies that I've conducted and also cited myself.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
It is, for sure. Yeah, I have Facebook and Instagram, but they're not nearly. I have over 200,000 followers on X. It's not like crazy, but it's ballooned in a short amount of time. Who follows you? Do you follow me? Yes, I certainly do. Yeah. Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Hegseth, Vivek Ramaswamy. There's a lot of influential people who follow me. Libs of TikTok, a lot of big accounts.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Donald Trump doesn't follow me. Maybe after he sees this episode, he'll jump on the bandwagon. Yeah, state governors, state treasurers. Yeah, so Doug Ducey, who's here in Arizona, he was the first state to go all in on school choice. And I have a good relationship with him. He's no longer the governor. He's now Katie Hobbs in Arizona, who's a hypocrite on school choice.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
She went to Catholic school and now she opposes school choice for other families. But Doug Ducey was a leader and you needed one state to do it first to show the rest of the states they could. He often uses the analogy of when the first person broke the four minute mile. Before the first person did it, I don't remember his name,
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
People thought it was impossible for a human being to run below a four-minute mile. But once the first person did it, you had just this cascade effect of tons of people. Now, with school choice, no one thought that any state could do it where it's every family. Because for a long time, there was an incremental approach on the school choice front. It was decades.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
We were hitting our head against the wall. It was small incremental wins where maybe the lowest income families here, maybe just in this city, they're going to do it. Maybe just for special needs kids. But now the barometer of success is do you have a universal program, meaning for everybody regardless of income, which these are the types of programs I support.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
One, because it allows for more competition, allows for a bigger supply side response, more of a market response. But also we're paying for public schools for high and low income families. They should be able to benefit from school choice as well. We don't discriminate based on income for the public schools. We shouldn't discriminate based on income for school choice either.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And politics, again, is all about organized interest, pushing for what they want. If you have a small program that not a lot of people are benefiting from, well, the problem there is if Democrats get in charge, they're going to be more likely to be able to take it away because low-income families are not as politically active.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
You already have that inequality baked into the government school system. You have Baltimore. They have 40% of their high schools have 0% math proficiency rate. You see the same thing in places like Chicago. And so they shouldn't make perfect the enemy of the good. And this fear-mongering hasn't happened with school choice. The public schools, if anything, have gotten better.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
I cited Florida, but we also have nationwide data on this. 26 of the 29 studies on this nationwide find statistically significant positive effects of private school choice competition on the outcomes in the public schools, even Even enemies of school choice who are in academia who have any form of honesty at all, they admit that that the studies on the competitive effects are positive.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
So the main argument that the unions put forward is the worst argument in terms of it being supported by the evidence. But a lot of people respond to fear mongering. And so they do that.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Pretty recent.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And it was done by Cornell researchers, published in 2018. And they actually found that when school choice was introduced, peer-reviewed study, when school choice was introduced, the number of searches online for different private education providers spiked. Doesn't seem like a surprising finding to me, probably not. If you have choice now, you can exercise it. You're going to look.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
The point is school choice increases parental involvement by definition. Yes, there'll be the parents who are involved anyway, but on the margins, the parents who who just felt like they were depressed being in the school system where they didn't have any other options. Now all of a sudden you give them $10,000 to seek out a better option.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
What's the title of that? Mediocrity, right? Right. 40 Ways Government Schools Are Failing Today's Students. And it was on the 40th anniversary of the Nation at Risk report. which came out, which basically said that, look, our outcomes are horrendous and things haven't gotten any better since then. In some cases, they've gotten worse and we spend a lot more money than we did back then.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
They're not going to be depressed by looking at the private school. So they're going to look and they're going to exercise that choice.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah, they're rigorous studies. You can't randomly assign competition, but it's as good as you can get. I've cited all the studies on that topic.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
On the issue of whether low-income families are benefiting from this, I already talked about the theoretical about how they're in the worst schools already. So they had the most to benefit, most to gain from having more options in their kids' education.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
In D.C., they have a voucher program, which I think Obama was against even though he sent his own kids to Sidwell Friends, a private school, school choice for kids. for me, but not for the hypocrisy again. Strikes again, it's everywhere.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
But we looked at the data most recently in DC and the average family, their average household income was about $30,000 per year for the entire household in the District of Columbia, which is a higher cost of living area than the average in the United States. And I believe about 95% of the kids were black or Hispanic.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
So this goes completely counter to the narrative that the left is saying about how this is only for rich white kids using the program. In Florida as well, there's a really interesting story about how DeSantis actually won in 2018. He actually barely won the governor's race in 2018.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And the headline in the Wall Street Journal the next day was that school choice moms tipped the governor's race for DeSantis.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
So they looked at exit polling from CNN of all places, and they found that black moms in particular came out in force for DeSantis much higher than expected after his opponent, Andrew Gillum, who was a black Democrat, called to get rid of their private school choice program that was already benefiting over 100,000 kids at the time.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And those kids were disproportionately low income and non-white kids. So this is another way that, one, Republicans can make inroads with groups that they hadn't reached out to before. And it's also, it shows you that this shouldn't be a partisan issue. And if Democrats are smart, if they're gonna bleed votes on this issue to people like Ron DeSantis in Florida, they should come along too.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And this is something I point out in the book that the way that we can get towards bipartisanship on school choice is through hyper-partisanship in the short run.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Because the more that the Democrats lose on the issue, like we saw with Terry McAuliffe, Andrew Gillum in Florida, the more they're going to scratch their head and you'll have some defectors and say, I'm going to join the kids' union and listen to them, the parents, as opposed to just the teachers' union.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
We spend about $20,000 per student per year now, which is... about 52% higher than average private school tuition in this country. That spending in the government schools has increased by about 164%, inflation adjusted since 1970. Have the outcomes gotten 164% better? No, obviously not. But it's because they're not focusing on math and reading.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Thank you so much.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
They're focusing on gender ideology and critical race theory in the schools. And if you're focusing on those things and teaching kids to hate your country, it shouldn't surprise us that the academic outcomes aren't getting any better.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Social work might They have the lowest scores on all the SATs and other academic credentials. And they also have a monopoly, a geographic monopoly, when it comes to the K-12 government school system, where in most places in America, you live where you live, and you're assigned to a school just based on your address, which gives them no incentive to spend additional dollars wisely.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And then there's a teacher certification monopoly. And that trickles down from the university level into the K through 12 system.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
I mean, just imagine if you had to shop at a government grocery store that you were assigned to based on where you lived and they had empty shelves, no food. And when they did have food, imagine if you got food poisoning where it was expired.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And if you wanted to go somewhere else, they'd tell you to go complain to the grocery board who wouldn't listen to you and would try to cut off your mic, which is what happens with the school boards right now. And if you had to just move houses to get access to a better grocery store, that would make zero sense.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Or if you had to pay twice, basically once through taxes for the government grocery store you're not using, and then again out of pocket for a grocery store that actually provided you with healthy food, that's what we have with the government school system today.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
You cannot go somewhere else unless you pay twice, essentially, and low-income families are basically just screwed in the worst failure factories that we call public schools today. In places like Chicago, they have like 33 public schools with 0% math proficiency rates. And they spend about $30,000 per kid. And guess what?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Their teachers union boss, Stacey Davis Gates, she sends her own kid to a private school. She knows better than anybody else that their schools are not working for kids. And that's the main problem that I see. And everything else trickles out from that monopoly issue. They don't have an incentive.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And then there's a teacher certification monopoly. And that trickles down from the university level into the K-12 system.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah, I did my bachelor's and master's in economics. Oh, yeah. And I had a professor there. John Merrifield was his name. He's now a retired professor. But he was probably the only free market professor at the University of Texas, San Antonio that I knew of. And I had him. I took all of his classes. He was my advisor.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
He was affiliated with the Friedman Foundation at the time, which is now called EdChoice, which is a school choice advocacy group. And he was the one who directed me or suggested to me at least three different times, hey, you should probably do this PhD program. And I ultimately took his advice, and I'm glad that I did. And that's how I look at the school system.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
I see it as one of the most socialist institutions that we have in America today where the government operates the means of production, the schools. Whether you want to call it the local, state, or federal government, they all have their hands into the government school system. And taxpayers have to fund it, and there's a monopoly. There's no competition.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
99.9% of Randy Weingarten's union. She's the head of the American Federation of Teachers. She lobbied the CDC to make it more difficult. to reopen schools during COVID. That's another story altogether.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
They knew they could hold children's education hostage to get billions of dollars in ransom payments and so-called COVID relief that started in 2020 because they knew if they were closed, they could say, we need more money because we're closed. It's the same story as we see with the test scores. They say, we're failing because we need more money.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
It's the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yeah. Right.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Their same thing is always give us more money and it never improves anything.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
Yes. And in every other industry, if you think about what smaller class sizes actually means, that means lower units of production output for the same inputs. Everywhere else, you increase your production over time with more technology.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
529. How Trump Will Save the School System | Corey DeAngelis
And the reason that we see so many of people in the Democratic Party fighting against things like school choice, where families can take their money somewhere else other than the government-run school, is because of that money laundering operation that we just addressed, where the teachers unions send almost all of their money, 99.9% to one party, the Democrat Party.
The Megyn Kelly Show
The Case for Abolishing the Department of Education, Truth About Trump's Tariff Plan: AM Update 4/21
We should get rid of the Department of Education altogether. Since 1980, we have data on this. Per student spending has increased by about 108% after adjusting for inflation. Have the outcomes gotten 108% better recently? No, they obviously haven't. It was created with the explicit purpose of closing achievement gaps and improving student outcomes. It hasn't done either of those things.
The Megyn Kelly Show
The Case for Abolishing the Department of Education, Truth About Trump's Tariff Plan: AM Update 4/21
The proof is in the pudding. We have 45 years of data now, and it's time to return education back to the states where it belongs.
The Megyn Kelly Show
The Case for Abolishing the Department of Education, Truth About Trump's Tariff Plan: AM Update 4/21
Students with special needs are getting the short end of the stick when it comes to education in our country, and it's because they're stuck in a one-size-fits-all system. And the Department of Education, even though they include red tape and regulations around these ideas, doesn't mean that it's actually producing better outcomes for those kids.
The Megyn Kelly Show
The Case for Abolishing the Department of Education, Truth About Trump's Tariff Plan: AM Update 4/21
And then any useful programs like special needs initiatives would move under other departments. Student loans have been announced to be moved under the Small Business Administration. Department of Justice would handle civil rights issues. Head Start, if you like the pre-K programs, those move under the Department of Health and Human Services as well.
The Megyn Kelly Show
The Case for Abolishing the Department of Education, Truth About Trump's Tariff Plan: AM Update 4/21
And you have people like Randi Weingarten crying about this. And it's not because she's concerned about the kids. She's concerned about her own gravy train coming to an end. She sees that she can lobby one institution, the department, better than lobbying a lot of different institutions. And so she feels like she can wield more influence in Washington, D.C. than in individual states.
The Megyn Kelly Show
The Case for Abolishing the Department of Education, Truth About Trump's Tariff Plan: AM Update 4/21
When people can vote with their feet, The schools improve in response to competition. We've seen this time and time again. Most recently in Florida, they went all in on school choice. And a couple decades ago, before they had school choice, they were at the bottom of the pack on the nation's report card. Now you fast forward to today. Florida is number one on education, according to U.S.
The Megyn Kelly Show
The Case for Abolishing the Department of Education, Truth About Trump's Tariff Plan: AM Update 4/21
News and World Report. And it's not a money issue. Money doesn't solve problems, especially when the system is broken. Florida spends 27% less than the national average per student in the public schools, and they're knocking it out of the park because they have competition.
The Megyn Kelly Show
The Case for Abolishing the Department of Education, Truth About Trump's Tariff Plan: AM Update 4/21
They unanimously voted against this protecting girls' sports, which is an 80-20 issue. You got to think they're going to lose some seats over this issue in the midterms. Maybe after 2026, Trump and the Republicans will have a better chance at fully eradicating the department. But what I am hopeful about is You only need 51 votes in the budget reconciliation process.
The Megyn Kelly Show
The Case for Abolishing the Department of Education, Truth About Trump's Tariff Plan: AM Update 4/21
So there are things Republicans can do to give this department death by a thousand cuts, including reducing or changing mandatory spending patterns. And Trump's already started this process with his executive order, and Linda has fired half the department. They oh, we're halfway there if we could only get 100% of the way there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
The Case for Abolishing the Department of Education, Truth About Trump's Tariff Plan: AM Update 4/21
But it does require an act of Congress because it was created by an act of Congress.
The Megyn Kelly Show
The Case for Abolishing the Department of Education, Truth About Trump's Tariff Plan: AM Update 4/21
Since 1980, we have data on this. Per-student spending has increased by about 108% after adjusting for inflation. Have the outcomes gotten 108% better? No, they obviously haven't.