Corey Knowles

And what's like, is there a disconnect you see between who's starting them and who's getting checks?

I would say it really feels that way from the angle of people who are covering it every day in the news end.

Yeah.

That just the sheer volume, like Grant and I read AI news

All day, all night, all weekend.

It's just what we do.

It's sad, actually.

It is.

It sounds kind of pathetic, but it is what it is.

And the truth is, we both even feel behind quite regularly.

And I can't imagine how behind and out of date an average person feels right now trying to follow this, let alone leading a company.

I think some of that is even coming.

A thing that we didn't used to see that is very, very common in AI now is founders are building in public.

They're building and throwing demos out on X, LinkedIn.

And being like, try this.

Give me feedback.

Give me feedback.

And they're building it.

And there's this grassroots element to getting to a point that they have a product, I think, that's been really interesting.

Right.