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Cory Doctorow

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

I've been an activist, journalist, and a writer.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

I'm a recovering library worker and bookseller and Clarion West instructor every now and again, and I'm very pleased to be back here in Seattle to talk with you folks.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

Ed, do you want to start by talking about Prabhagaur Raghavan?

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

There we go.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

I do have an honorary PhD in computer science.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

So Ed has got this way of talking about the ideology that says, let's make Google worse in order to increase profits.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

And you have to understand, when Google hit this code yellow, they had a 90% market share in search.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

So of course, query growth had slowed.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

How do you increase query growth?

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

when you have a 90% market share.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

You can raise a billion humans to maturity and make them Google customers.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

That's a product called Google Classroom, but it doesn't work quickly.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

And so they needed something else to goose growth, and they came up with this idea, let's make Google worse in order to make more money.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

And you see in these documents that had surfaced this ferocious debate between technologists who want to do the right thing in the form of Ben Gomes and business people who want to do the wrong thing in the form of Pragyavar Raghavan.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

What's interesting about this is that although for many years you can imagine fights like this played out at Google where the side that wanted to make things better won out against the side that wanted to make things worse, in this case you see this guy losing.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

And he's losing because his argument consists of, if I made Google worse, I would feel bad about my work and my life.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

And Raghavan's argument is, if we make Google worse, we'll make a lot more money.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

So you have to wonder, what is it that created this environment?

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

Ed calls the mindset that says, well, if you can, you should worsen things to make money, the rot economy.

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CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

And I think it's a very apt phrase.