Cory Doctorow

I also feel very old.

Well, it's, you know, I've worked for this nonprofit called the Electronic Frontier Foundation, sort of a digital human rights group for 25 years.

And I've been... Thank you.

And I've been trying to... I've been trying to...

It's easy now.

I'm trying to get people to care about tech policy all that time.

And of course, it's very abstract, and it's very technical.

It's hard to make it urgent.

And I've come up with all kinds of metaphors and so on.

Turns out that the secret is you let people swear.

And suddenly, they become very engaged with the subject.

Yeah, works for me.

Everything I do, yeah.

So chitification is this dirty word I came up with to describe how platforms go bad.

And I don't know if you want me to go through like the stages of and shitification.

Yeah, sure, I think it'll help.

I like to use Facebook as an example.

They're kind of the canonical example here.

So in stage one of and shitification, a platform is good to its end users, but it locks them in.

So Facebook in 2006 opens up to the general public and they say like, look, I know all of you have an account on MySpace,