Craig Hutchison

If you want to put that phrase on it.

We all seemed to drop a story at a very similar time on Sunday morning.

No, it wasn't exclusive.

I think we all knew it wasn't exclusive, but I think they all dropped early Sunday morning.

He's his own man?

Yeah, I was going to say that.

Yeah, I don't know him apart from this conversation and apart from a hello and goodbye over the journey, Hutchie.

But I think we're going to see a different leadership.

with him in charge.

And immediately the fact that he's prepared to go public with the desire that he's got to cap the terms for commissioners.

Again, it might be a simple thing and a small thing in some people's eyes, but this hasn't been the case since 1985 when they formed the AFL commission.

And equally, I thought his answers on the 20th license, which we, I think as an industry, wider industry, thought was inevitable after Tassie comes in most likely in 2028.

He said strong intent there, not guaranteed, but strong intent.

We think it's going to happen.

But

No rush on the 20th, which surprised me a little bit.

Until the story's dropped, you go, oh, is there a nugget there?

It's funny you say that.

I did have a semi-restless Saturday night.

For that reason, yeah.