Craig Hutchison

Cause that was always the uneasy ones.

And even listening to him talk on that, and he said, look, project 20 years forward, and he says immigration's not going to be doing anything different to what it's been doing recently.

It's going to be one in two in some parts of the country.

And he, and by extension the AFL, want to get...

access to that person and the plans around all that.

It's massive stakes, isn't it?

To get a hold of that.

Yeah.

Dave Matthews has been there 15 years.

15 years.

And I think he's done as good a job as anyone could as a startup CEO.

But after 15 years, it's time.

No, we've got to leave it in, but I get into trouble when that goes away.

No, that was Dudley, actually.

Big time CEO and real muscle.

Because as Craig Drummond told AFL.com.au in one of the interviews, he made a really good point.

And I would agree with this.

The club has done as good a job as you can to be successful without winning a premiership in the 15 years.

They've made grand final and preliminary finals, multiple.

They run well commercially, financially.