Craig Hutchison

And if one side got told exclusively first, the default position from rival newspapers or media outlets is to take the other position.

Yeah.

And this is also part of this article you've sent me, and Chris Masters has been quoted as part of it.

He's taken the view that the initial formation of information relating to, and again, we don't take sides on this issue.

It's still in front of the courts.

The Ben Roberts-Smith article.

Hachi, was on the back of, quote, 100 interviews of people.

Yeah, two years.

Two years of work.

He, again, there's a reference there and it's a long article and I'd appreciate people reading it if they were interested in it.

He was making the point that News Limited, and again, he's not one to criticise News Limited historically and he makes that point.

He had a relationship with himself.

And it's not his style.

I think he's in his 70s now.

He's as pure, I think, as a journo you could get.

It's not his style to go personal, which he has arguably in this piece and clearly in the book because of the behavior he's been subjected to, according to him.

But he made the point, Hutchie, that that was on the back of just old-fashioned, roll your sleeves up, just go and speak to as many people as you possibly can.

As opposed to the way news does business sometimes in the eyes of others, including him on this specific partially, that some people just get given stuff as a leak.

And other people get leaked other stuff.

It's not as simple as leaks appearing everywhere in the world of Chris Masters and Nick McKenzie, who have obviously led the way in this piece.