Craig Jenkins

I mean, you know, it's not up to me personally.

That's how I feel.

Like, but...

I think that if he is genuinely making steps toward making things right, then he's a very useful person to have because he's someone who has been this lightning rod for the far right and could lead some of his fans out of there.

But we haven't heard enough of that chat happening to really like...

be gung-ho about the guy back in the public sphere, which is why there are all these differing outcomes for where he shows up places.

He's leaving too much on the table.

It is extremely shaped by that, and it sounds like a storm is clearing, but he doesn't really want to get into it.

When I thought I was reviewing the album, I described it as an Amazing Grace that doesn't want to get too much into the once-being-lost for excitement about being found.

There's not specificity about what his vibes were, or even what they are now, so much as there is like,

Man, things were really weird back there last year, and now they no longer are, and I'm so glad.

He'd be like, yeah, church ladies prayed for me.

Or what was the other line?

Back to life like an effie pin.

It's like, yeah, about what, friend?

It just does not come up.

Because, you know, you know what all happened, and he doesn't necessarily want to get into the specificity of it, because just to list it out is like...

reopens the wound for people.

Yeah, because it's really reprehensible stuff.

And for a long time, and not that long ago.