Craig Mazin

Well, she's a therapist, and I think her concern is that somebody has been psychologically damaged. I assume she's seen dozens of situations where children were hurt by their parents physically, emotionally, sexually. There's all sorts of abuse that occurs, and it can ruin people. And she knows that Joel did something because he admitted it. He admitted that he did something to her.

Well, she's a therapist, and I think her concern is that somebody has been psychologically damaged. I assume she's seen dozens of situations where children were hurt by their parents physically, emotionally, sexually. There's all sorts of abuse that occurs, and it can ruin people. And she knows that Joel did something because he admitted it. He admitted that he did something to her.

He said, I didn't hurt her. Well, what did you do? I saved her. What does that mean? And all Gail knows is that whatever Joel did, it's wrecking him inside. And Gail also knows that Joel and Ellie are not on good terms.

He said, I didn't hurt her. Well, what did you do? I saved her. What does that mean? And all Gail knows is that whatever Joel did, it's wrecking him inside. And Gail also knows that Joel and Ellie are not on good terms.

I mean, just the fact what he did with her husband, which we still don't have the full picture of. Something's really dark there. And Gail's primary concern, and it's the reason why she has to sign off before Ellie can walk out, is... Are you okay? And part of okay is not just how are you doing now that your father figure passed away three months ago. Part of okay is what did he do?

I mean, just the fact what he did with her husband, which we still don't have the full picture of. Something's really dark there. And Gail's primary concern, and it's the reason why she has to sign off before Ellie can walk out, is... Are you okay? And part of okay is not just how are you doing now that your father figure passed away three months ago. Part of okay is what did he do?

And Ellie, it's hard to tell based on her response. Does she know what he did? Does she not know what he did? Does she care? We don't yet know. And it's pretty clear to Gail that if Ellie knows, she's not saying a damn thing.

And Ellie, it's hard to tell based on her response. Does she know what he did? Does she not know what he did? Does she care? We don't yet know. And it's pretty clear to Gail that if Ellie knows, she's not saying a damn thing.

There is one possibility that while she is saying her last moments with Joel don't define their relationship— Maybe it is. Not because it should, but because that's how it is in her heart. That maybe that last moment – and her last moment wasn't seeing him on a porch. Because they sort of glide by that. Her last moment was seeing him on a floor in a ski lodge being murdered.

There is one possibility that while she is saying her last moments with Joel don't define their relationship— Maybe it is. Not because it should, but because that's how it is in her heart. That maybe that last moment – and her last moment wasn't seeing him on a porch. Because they sort of glide by that. Her last moment was seeing him on a floor in a ski lodge being murdered.

That's the last moment. That's the one that maybe – is going to define her memory of Joel. What does she do now if she's locked inside of that? She was locked inside of it when we saw her in the hospital bed. Is she still locked inside of it? She's not screaming anymore, but that doesn't mean she's not still there.

That's the last moment. That's the one that maybe – is going to define her memory of Joel. What does she do now if she's locked inside of that? She was locked inside of it when we saw her in the hospital bed. Is she still locked inside of it? She's not screaming anymore, but that doesn't mean she's not still there.

Well, I'll tell you one thing that I love is that she opens that box, sees the watch, and immediately moves it aside. The watch meant so much to Joel. That watch is a memory of his daughter. That watch is a memory of his past and the way his life got stuck. Doesn't mean anything to Ellie. What matters to Ellie is the gun because her relationship with Joel is

Well, I'll tell you one thing that I love is that she opens that box, sees the watch, and immediately moves it aside. The watch meant so much to Joel. That watch is a memory of his daughter. That watch is a memory of his past and the way his life got stuck. Doesn't mean anything to Ellie. What matters to Ellie is the gun because her relationship with Joel is

was cemented in a kind of, no, in an actual violence. He saved her with violence. She saved him with violence. She is going to avenge him with violence.

was cemented in a kind of, no, in an actual violence. He saved her with violence. She saved him with violence. She is going to avenge him with violence.

There's some interesting moments of mystery in this that I enjoy. Well, for starters, it's pretty clear once she walks in that house that she's not okay. Even when she walked out of the hospital room and down the hallway and her face just darkens, we understand, oh – There's murder on her mind. And she gets to this house and she wanders through. There's a kind of tentative nature.

There's some interesting moments of mystery in this that I enjoy. Well, for starters, it's pretty clear once she walks in that house that she's not okay. Even when she walked out of the hospital room and down the hallway and her face just darkens, we understand, oh – There's murder on her mind. And she gets to this house and she wanders through. There's a kind of tentative nature.

It feels like somebody who's entering kind of a sacred space, but she's not emotional. She's just a bit numb. And then she enters Joel's room and that moment from the game, the jacket was just burned in my brain. And even I felt it on another level because... I can't tell you the journey to deciding that that would be Joel's jacket in season one.

It feels like somebody who's entering kind of a sacred space, but she's not emotional. She's just a bit numb. And then she enters Joel's room and that moment from the game, the jacket was just burned in my brain. And even I felt it on another level because... I can't tell you the journey to deciding that that would be Joel's jacket in season one.