Craig Melvin

that even though times have changed and the way we view abuse and depression, even though a lot of that has changed for us as a society, he did not want anyone using that lens to view what happened to his two boys in a sympathetic light back in 1994. So begrudgingly, he decided to make sure that we remembered what she did and what his boys were like. That had to be tough. It was.

And it's one of those things where, you know, you and I, you know, we've had some interviews that are hard and we've seen a lot. We've heard a lot. Quite frankly, we've probably become... a little desensitized to a lot, I did not fully appreciate the depth of his despair 30 years later. He talked about the two times that he nearly killed himself.

And it's one of those things where, you know, you and I, you know, we've had some interviews that are hard and we've seen a lot. We've heard a lot. Quite frankly, we've probably become... a little desensitized to a lot, I did not fully appreciate the depth of his despair 30 years later. He talked about the two times that he nearly killed himself.

He talked about not being able to get out of bed for months and just going to work. And you don't really think about this part of it, but for a very long time, Anytime anyone saw him, he was on TV every day for a long time. Everyone knew how the guy looked. And so he would have these strangers, well-meaning strangers, who would come up to him at the grocery store, the bank.

He talked about not being able to get out of bed for months and just going to work. And you don't really think about this part of it, but for a very long time, Anytime anyone saw him, he was on TV every day for a long time. Everyone knew how the guy looked. And so he would have these strangers, well-meaning strangers, who would come up to him at the grocery store, the bank.

I've been praying for you. I prayed for those boys. I prayed for Susan. And he had to leave town. He moved for a long time down to Florida just to get away from it.

I've been praying for you. I prayed for those boys. I prayed for Susan. And he had to leave town. He moved for a long time down to Florida just to get away from it.

And, you know, he said to me, I think it was off camera. It's not in the episode, but he said to me, he's like, when I die, in my obit, this will be included. It'll be the, the husband of the ex-husband. And that's, I mean, and think about, I mean, that's just a, you know, and, and, and his, his new wife, God bless her. You know, Tiffany has been there.

And, you know, he said to me, I think it was off camera. It's not in the episode, but he said to me, he's like, when I die, in my obit, this will be included. It'll be the, the husband of the ex-husband. And that's, I mean, and think about, I mean, that's just a, you know, and, and, and his, his new wife, God bless her. You know, Tiffany has been there.

They got married in 2003, but she was there with him during all of this, during the search, during the trial, they went on, they had a child together, Savannah, she's 24 now. But she, she spent a fair amount of time talking about, How, for a very long time, she could not pull him out of what had to be the darkest of days.

They got married in 2003, but she was there with him during all of this, during the search, during the trial, they went on, they had a child together, Savannah, she's 24 now. But she, she spent a fair amount of time talking about, How, for a very long time, she could not pull him out of what had to be the darkest of days.

She talks about this period where he didn't really trust her, you know, because if this woman that he had known for all these years and had gotten married to, if she would do something so unspeakable. Someone he completely trusted. Correct. I really, there are a couple of times, he gets choked up, I get choked up.

She talks about this period where he didn't really trust her, you know, because if this woman that he had known for all these years and had gotten married to, if she would do something so unspeakable. Someone he completely trusted. Correct. I really, there are a couple of times, he gets choked up, I get choked up.

What moved me the most, Mank, was he said to me, and it was one of those things where I don't know if he meant to say it, but after he said it, it stayed with me. He said one of the biggest problems now is 30 years later, he has a hard time remembering. The boys. And when he talked about it with his therapist early on, the therapist explained it away.

What moved me the most, Mank, was he said to me, and it was one of those things where I don't know if he meant to say it, but after he said it, it stayed with me. He said one of the biggest problems now is 30 years later, he has a hard time remembering. The boys. And when he talked about it with his therapist early on, the therapist explained it away.

The mind, in an attempt to protect itself, will guard you from certain memories because that'll just, you know, prolong the trauma. And the therapist was basically like, you'll get the memories back. You'll get the memories back. And he said, Craig... The memories haven't come back. That saddened him to his soul.

The mind, in an attempt to protect itself, will guard you from certain memories because that'll just, you know, prolong the trauma. And the therapist was basically like, you'll get the memories back. You'll get the memories back. And he said, Craig... The memories haven't come back. That saddened him to his soul.

And you could tell that of all of the things that he wishes he could change, I think he just wishes that he had more memories of the boys.

And you could tell that of all of the things that he wishes he could change, I think he just wishes that he had more memories of the boys.

No. Pretty clearly. And that's the thing. You know, he points out every two years this could happen. Every two years she comes up for parole and she'll make her case every two years.