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Crystal Fox

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
365 total appearances

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Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 2: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

And so one of the things we could do federally is reverse the IMD exclusion so federal dollars can come in to do more wraparound services for the sickest of our members of our society that really require long-term care.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

Well, you know, I think I said for a long time that our mental health codes are out of sync with science, that they are inpatient models in an outpatient world, meaning that the focus is on inpatient hospitalization.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

95% of the care is provided outpatient.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

We need to come

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

reverse the system from an inpatient model to an outpatient model.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

And we're slowly moving that way.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

Now, Michigan has made some strides for assisted outpatient treatment as a standard order now.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

If you end up in Wayne County Probate Court on a petition for hospitalization, you're also going to get AOT.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

So the problem is our standard for intervention permits you to file a petition for someone who's not sick enough for hospitalization, but they are sick enough for outpatient treatment.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

Problem is, in order to use it, you've got to get hospitalized first because the system is still backwards.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

So we have legislation pending, which has passed the House and Senate, which would allow for easier intervention early before someone is so sick they have to be hospitalized.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

I think that should be our goal.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

I'm not sure about that.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

The way it would work would a family member could file a petition with the probate court saying, my son has a mental illness.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

He needs treatment on an outpatient basis.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

And then we'd have someone testify on that.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

And if the judge felt that he required it, he could order outpatient treatment.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

We would permit a psychiatric nurse practitioner to testify or a physician assistant with a psychiatric background could testify or a psychologist, not just a psychiatrist, at the hearing.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

So it would be easier to present the testimony you need.

Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ?
NSSC: Voices of Change Part 1: Serious Mental Illness, Missed Care, and the Criminal Justice Gap

And the court would be in a position to enter an order for AOT if it was found to be required.