Crystal

Yeah.

Exactly.

No, that's so true.

In that, how have you like, do you do therapy or do you talk to someone to kind of help you manage those feelings when you're in the thick of it?

Maybe a life coach.

Wow.

Let's talk about that because I feel like a lot of men, they, one, we are, like everyone, we are a result or a sum of the five people that we're around the most.

And a lot of times we don't realize the people that we're around

are either hindering us or they're promoting us to like higher levels or holding us back and I what was it in you that said I need wise counsel I need these men because I feel like men need to hear that it's okay to have people that can like that you can talk to and run things by that'll hold you accountable yeah um just to make them just better men and like even grow wiser but what was it in you that said hey like this is what I need right now

Wow.

We like that.

Yeah.

Wow.

That's good.

The fella said, I heard that.

That's so good.

No, thank you for sharing that because I feel like more men need to hear that it's okay to have your tribe and it's okay to step outside of like, if you realize your core group isn't really taking you where you want to go, step outside of that and find the right people.

That's real.

I love that.

I want to talk about your latest album, Closer, live recorded album in your hometown, Chicago.