Curtis Reid

That seems... It's important to note that the judge did refer to those remarks and said that he did not consider that to be true remorse.

The remorse has to be taken into account when it comes to sentencing.

It's in the sentencing guidelines in Northern Ireland's judicial system.

And it's something that judges are bound to when it comes to making their decisions around how long a person will spend on tariff.

But there was a reference to those remarks made to the Provisionary Officer and the judge, again, very pointedly said, we don't consider this to be true remorse.

Curtis, that's just shocking.

It really is.

It really, really is.

I think knowing what we know now and listening to that and the hysterics that he's clearly putting on and the performance.

And it's the call handler as well who's doing her best to try and help him.

Asking somebody with him to go get a defibrillator, talking about him mumbling that she's pregnant and that she's cold and everything.

It's absolutely brutal and it's really, really, really horrific that somebody walked into her house, discovered her body lying there, knowing that he had killed her, knowing that he had left her that way in such a brutal, horrific way, and decided to pick up the phone and ring 999 and pretend like this was a new discovery.

What goes through someone's head to think to do that?

Yeah, I think anybody that's listened to it can tell that it's not genuine.

And like you said, we have the benefit of hindsight now.

But the theatrical nature of the screaming and the shouting and the sort of performance, it's like somebody has just taken, you know, what would I imagine somebody to be like ringing 999 in that circumstance?

And he's just decided to put that on.

Because like you said, I think a person...

wouldn't exactly react like that.

I do think there would be a level of, obviously, hysterics and distress.