Cy Gavin

100%.

And kind of...

in an ill-advised way by very overprotective parents, only allowed myself and my sister to go unattended to the library.

And so it gave access to all the things we had curiosity about and also luckily gave us access to people who were volunteers there who were sort of surrogate parents, for me at least, and who took an interest in what I was doing and suggested books and ordered them from the interlibrary loan system.

And yeah.

I mean, I think it was really just I wasn't allowed to do anything.

So I just went to the DIY section and would take out books about making all kinds of things.

So I dabbled with all kinds of things that were there because it was a way of getting an education for free.

And where I grew up, it's very much like the education is about education.

football and not an education.

So to have the library really like more than supplemented an education actually provided it.

And it was also a place where I could have sort of unobserved space and time to read books that would not have been allowed in my house.

I think there's a difference between talent and skill.

I think that's, I mean... Oh, talk about it that way.

For sure.

Tell us about that.

I mean, I think I'm distrustful a bit that talent exists.

I mean, I hear it all the time, but I...

Don't know what that means for myself, at least.

I think that I had a life that was conducive to a certain kind of attention being paid to things because, as I said, I wasn't allowed to do very much.