Dallas Jenkins
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard Dec 2024
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Yeah, yeah. Okay. So maybe that accounts for why— Jonathan's iconography is intended to point people to the thing. Yeah, not to him, for example. Not to him or to the icon itself. Right, right. An icon is not an object of worship. If it was, it would be an idol. Yes. And we're warned against idolatry. But iconography points people to the thing. So I know my place in this.
in this story, which is I'm not replacing the Bible. I'm not God. Jonathan Rumi, who plays Jesus, is not Jesus. And the show isn't Scripture. Are you a prophet?
A herald is calling you to look at the thing, and he's gathering you, right?
I went to Israel in 2017 with Rabbi Jason Sobel, who's the Messianic Jewish rabbi, who's one of our consultants. And so I went to Israel, and I'll get to that in a bit, because there was a profound... spiritual moment that happened there, too.
But one of the things that happened on that trip was we went to the Sea of Galilee and saw, while we're talking about what took place at the Sea of Galilee and investigating it, there happened to be a man on a boat who was fishing with his net. And it was extraordinary, and it was an old-fashioned boat. It was not, you know, a
a motorboat, you know, and he's gathering, and there's a parable that Jesus gives in the Gospels about the parable of the nets, where he says a fisherman's job is to gather the fish, and they separate the good from the rotten, and they toss the rotten back in, so it will be at the end of the age. You gather the fish, and the angels will separate the evil from the righteous.
I'm calling you to be a fisher of men. He says that to Simon Peter.
So we had one of the profound moments, not the ultimate one, but one of them was me going, I think that's what I am. I'm a gatherer. I gather fish into the net, and I let God work out what the result of that is.
I'm not trying to convert you in my show, although that has happened to be a very common occurrence, or I'm not hoping— No, that's one of the reasons that your show can be watched, as far as I'm concerned, because—
It doesn't look like it to me. That's where the feeding of the 5,000 story, again, rears its, I wouldn't say ugly head, rears its beautiful head, because when I'm writing, I'm not thinking about trying to, quote-unquote, convert or even feed 5,000 people. I'm trying to tell a great story. Right, right.
I'm trying to honor God and tell as close as I can the truth of the character and intentions of Jesus in the Gospels. And so that's my job in these—and when I first started doing it with my co-writer— Are you guarding your—okay, so this is a very tricky question, I suppose.
All your other questions have been completely—they've just been— Nothing, I know.
Right. I tell people that all the time. They'll say, why do you do this show? And when I'm sitting with my laptop in my living room, if I'm thinking about... this scene will cause YouTube videos to come up like they have over the last several years about me.
You can look on YouTube right now and find plenty of videos talking about my heresy and that I'm leading people to hell because I'm not just, you know, whatever. Or you can find videos that are saying that I'm the greatest storyteller ever and that this show has changed their life. If I start to seek to pursue the latter and avoid the former, then I'm not making a good story.
So my comfort... With telling those stories in the way that I am could have only come from that moment at 4 o'clock in the morning where I gave up. So the feeding the 5,000 that I felt responsible for not only refers to financial success, it refers to spiritual success. achievement, right? Mission.
I can't feel like my mission is to convert more people or gather more fish or when I gather them, I'm responsible for putting the righteous in this boat and the evil into the... That's God's job, right? So I'm a gatherer, I'm a herald. So that's to your question. Yeah, okay, okay, okay. So my comfort with...
telling those stories could have only happened after that moment that happened at four o'clock in the morning. And so what happened after we've had several short films and vignettes over the years that had that resulted in that aha moment, it was clear that we were onto something. It was clear that telling stories from a different lens allowed people to unpack it differently.
So for example, I filmed a vignette around the crucifixion where Peter is wrestling with, how is this possible that the Messiah could have died? If he's the Messiah, why would he die? I must have missed it, right? And so he's flashing— Bad outcome. Right.
So he's flashing back to when Jesus called him Peter and called him the rock and said, you now have the keys to the kingdom of heaven, yada, yada. So he's flashing back to that moment. Well, I went to that moment, and I started it with two disciples arm wrestling. And they're just having fun around the fire. This goes back to my eight-year-old self.
What would it have been like to sit around the fire with Jesus and the 12 disciples? And they're just friends. What are they doing? And so they're arm wrestling. And I have one of the disciples have a surprise victory over the other. The other one had been undefeated. And Andrew defeats Thaddeus. And they go, oh my goodness, look what happened. He won.
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