Dame Brian Moylan

The tactics, I think, it was kind of an anything-goes atmosphere.

It was very Wild Wild West.

I mean, if you read about the history of Survivor, the cast on that first season got all sorts of infections and terrible things and...

You know, came back with, you know, who knows what kind of parasites, you know?

And so, I don't think people were really prepared for what it was going to take to have real people in front of the camera and also to turn real people into overnight celebrities.

You know, there had never been someone like Richard Hatch before who went from being a nobody to being one of the most famous men in America kind of overnight.

What's happened in my head is here's the conflict.

Here comes the dynamics that suck.

Here come the people that just shout and don't listen.

Here comes the negativity and here comes the crap.

And I also think that with the producers, there were a lot of people coming out of the documentary space doing it, but there were also a lot of people coming from more

tabloidy type backgrounds.

And so there might have been a little bit more exploitation, a little bit more looking for the craziest possible angle, the craziest possible stunts.

And it was kind of the bigger and louder and crazier, the better, especially right after Survivor, it became a very crowded marketplace.

So you needed something different about you to really stand out.

Well, I think that viewers got hip to reality shows and how they're made and that they're producers, etc.

And so I think the expectations of the audience change.

And I think because...

enough people had watched reality shows, they kind of knew a bit what to expect.

And when they went on those shows, you know, what they should and shouldn't be treated like.