Dame Brian Moylan

And so you're not going to see that happening again.

And so I do think that, yes, tastes continue to change and evolve.

And I think that that is a bit of a reflection of that.

And most of it has been for the better.

That's the thing about these shows that have been on forever is that you get to see them change and evolve kind of as we have.

Absolutely.

I mean, I feel like some of the deals that reality people have with the networks are some of the worst deals in entertainment.

Mm-hmm.

They're on these shows creating catchphrases and making intellectual property that these networks are then going on to sell on merch and to market and make money off of.

And they're not getting any residuals when they re-air these shows.

Oh my God, no, I don't.

But I'm sure it's not great.

I'm already rolling my eyes.

No, I always think he's a stick in the mud.

And listen, I mean, if it wasn't reality television, before that, it was rap music.

Before that, it was Elvis Presley shaking his hips.

Before that, it was, you know, they've always touted the end of civilization, and yet here we are, thriving in the present.

And so, but I think that that stigma...

is part of what allows reality television to be as bad as it was because serious people weren't looking at it seriously.

And I think that people don't take the stars that come out of it seriously, so people aren't holding the people that make it accountable for what they were doing because they're kind of just like Ted Kappa, like, well, you're all terrible, what did you expect?