Damien Hughes

This is a great reminder to everyone that even if you decide that actually the shortcut is the thing that you want to take, there may well be other victims along the way.

This is what Michael Johnson told us when he decided to give back one of his medals.

And I think that's really interesting, isn't it?

Because the athlete in question...

thought that he was doing this almost in a silo.

He was deciding that he was going to dope for his own success in his competition.

And as Michael Johnson reveals there, when you're in a relay, it's a team sport.

And the devastation that that created, actually, in America, for both Michael, but also for the athlete who doped, I mean, it was really, really, really dark.

Okay.

Excellent.

Here he is, James Witt, talking to Damien.

This is the interesting thing.

I think in the enhanced games, they're not cheating, are they?

No.

They're cheating in the Olympics or they're cheating in the Commonwealth Games.

But for the enhanced games, I think it's, personally, I think it's fascinating that,

that we're in an era now where athletes are saying, I'm going to do everything I can to be as fast, as strong, as powerful, as quick, as explosive as is humanly possible.

I do not want to see those people going up against Keely Hodgkinson, right, in the Olympics.

but I will be seeing what the human body can achieve with additional help, right?

Yeah, definitely.