Damien Tanner

And I don't think it's... The exciting bit for me is the human-computer interaction.

It's right.

It's like... And this is how it's kind of exciting in the context of layer code and why we love voice.

It's like voice is this OG communication method.

Whereas humans, we started speaking before we were writing.

And it's kind of quite a rich communication medium.

And it's a terrific way.

If your agents can be really multi-medium, whether you're doing voice with them, text with them, they create a web UI for you, you interact with the UI with them.

There doesn't have to be these strict modes or delineations between those things.

Well, we've talked a lot about the building of a company and the building of software now.

And I think founders today have that is as important as the thing that they're building, right?

Yeah.

Because if you just head into your company and operate it like you did even a few years ago, using no AI, using all your slow development practices, using our slow sales and marketing practices,

you're going to really get left behind.

And so there is a lot to be done in working out and exploring what the company of the future looks like, what the software company of the future looks like.

I'm very excited about the idea that we can build large companies with small teams.

I think a lot of developers will.

I mean, there is a lot of HR and politics involved

and culture change that happens when teams get truly large and companies get truly large.

And this is one of the kind of founding principles when we started our startup was, let's see how big we can make this with a small team.