Dan Elitzer

Yeah, we're going to make it through this, but it's every team needs to kind of commit to this individually.

I think we need to be very clear about where the risks are and how we're approaching, if not solving them, mitigating them to the greatest extent possible and being willing to take a fair amount of pain and expense in terms of getting there.

Security spend is always a very hard...

items for teams to stomach paying for, but it really is necessary.

And I think we need to do a better job just calling this out and making clear where teams are doing the minimum they need to to get into market quickly and grow and what it looks like when you're actually doing this to the nth degree.

and making sure that your users are as absolutely safe as you can possibly make them.

So I think we will get there, but we need to start doing a better job as an industry coming up with standards and enforcing those standards and holding teams accountable for meeting those standards.

I disagree on that last point.

I saw a smirk out of Dan.

Market sets the price there.

There are so few qualified humans to actually do the high quality audits.

I think they're expensive because you get what you pay for on that front.

I think now we're starting to break that connection with some of the AI systems.

We're seeing a lot of good ones out there.

I think the stuff I'm close with the Cantina team.

And so I've seen some of the stuff their Apex system has done.

both in Web3 and Web2.

It's insane.

And all of these solutions, there are even some like pretty decent open source ones as well.

They're doing a great job.