Dan Epps

Instead, it was about like civil investigations, right?

Tax, tax, tax officials, customs officials, which is not necessarily criminal.

Right.

So I thought that was pretty opinion I found very baffling and also like maybe obviously wrong.

Right.

Right.

To think of probable cause is just a criminal concept.

I don't think that's right.

Right.

Now, I mean, there were a law of arrests, right, for which the concept probable cause was important at the time of the founding.

But I don't think it was would have been thought of as exclusively criminal.

Yeah, that's the thing.

That's the thing I'm confused about because the exception is satisfied here.

But, like, I kind of think that there was probable cause here, like even under the heavier standard.

Sure.

Right.

I mean, the specific facts were this guy, Case, Case is the subject of the case, you know, had called his ex-girlfriend and said he was going to kill himself and that he was running a suicide note.

And she like heard a pop on the phone.

And he also said stuff about like, if the police come, I'm going to shoot them.

And then the police show up.