Dan Flores

Ecology is a brand new science they're a little suspicious of, and so they don't know it well.

And they just come from this assumption that what we're doing in America is we're remaking science.

North America into a kind of a Western European country.

And what people in Western Europe did, which we don't even question, is they got rid of all the predators.

And so this is something we're going to do.

And what struck me also when I was doing the research on this is the fact that they're willing to do this without ever having any scientific research to back it up.

And then when they send people out to come up with the

the information, the scientific research they're convinced is going to, you know, make coyotes the arch predator of our time.

And the Murie brothers come back and say, well, wow, that's not what we're finding.

And, you know, I mean, it looks like 80 to 90 percent of what coyotes do in the world is actually beneficial to humans.

And they also seem to be

They seem to have this really long-term predatory relationship with other creatures out there in the world.

And there are all these kind of intertwined relationships that seem to balance one another out.

That was absolutely not what the Bureau wanted to hear.

So, I mean, and this has happened a lot of times in history.

You get a report that, okay, that's not what I want to hear.

You just throw it out the window and double down.

And that's what...

They did.

I mean, they just doubled down again and again.