Dan Harris

Yeah.

I know you probably have something to say, but just to pick up on that, you talk about the banality of evil.

Well, there's a humdrumness of love, too.

It doesn't... Joseph Goldstein often says that there's no hierarchy of compassionate action.

It's more newsworthy if you run into a burning building and bring out a kitten, but it's pretty cool if you...

text, call your mom or text a friend who's in need or hold the door open for somebody or whatever.

It's such a, and I think I might have said this last night, it's such a

given what a dumpster fire it is right now on the planet, it's a target-rich opportunity for doing good.

And the doing good does you good.

There's a real virtuous spiral available to all of us if we take advantage of it.

That's my question, too.

What do you guys think?

Yeah.

Seeing the pain of it.

Another Josephism, we're talking about Joseph Goldstein, who's a meditation teacher, has been very important, at least for the two of us.

He doesn't like Jeff.

We've emailed him.

He would love Jeff.

You guys really would get along.

But another Joseph-ism is don't waste your suffering.