Dan Harris

In fact, I think it's the unlock for a whole spiral of benefits because how we are with ourselves...

inexorably redounds to how we are with other people.

And so if you can take care of yourself, that's not self-indulgence and it's not weakness.

Um, so yeah, that's, that's kind of how I think about it.

And I, I, on the show that the spirit very much is, look, this is a menu, not a to-do list.

We're going to explore all these things, but you should take what you want.

Like, uh, whatever works for you is, is cool.

Like, uh, there's,

There are some of my brothers and sisters in the wellness space who are super prescriptive, and that's just not my style.

So if there's a person listening or watching who has not had the opportunity to check your show out, I know this can be an annoying question, but tell me an episode that you would point someone to.

Where do you send them?

Probably the most influential person for me in this whole space of whatever you want to call it, wellness, human flourishing, whatever, is a guy who's not famous.

His name is Joseph Goldstein.

Oh, this is your teacher.

Yeah, he's my meditation teacher, has been for a long time, and he's a very close friend.

And he's 82 years old, does not wear robes or anything like that.

He's a Jewish guy from the Catskills who –

wears khakis and button downs.

He doesn't present as a guru, but he is

a walking example of what can happen with sustained practice.