Dan McDonnell

So if they suddenly see something and maybe that's something you can do,

I totally understand it, but of course, what about if he can bring you down any road with this?

To the point where everyone stands accused of hypocrisy, I guess.

two, three years and it's made no difference.

No, and like the world has switched off again now, you know, and like, that's the thing.

Yeah.

So that's the counterpart, that's the importance of it actually.

To keep doing something.

I think so, because people have sort of got bought into, oh, the ceasefire, you know, well actually, so maybe, maybe it remains, it remains, you know, it needs to remain current so any cause you can cling on to to do that.

I agree.

They have to crack America.

I think he's going to be, he's not going to be as pally with like world rugby sort of.

Well, he's not meant to be there at the time, I suppose.

I mean, who knows?

He's going to be JD.

These World Cup cycles, I mean, they always seem to be coming around quicker.

I presume the draw will be done when he's in term anyway.

But yeah.

When were you in Baltimore?

The year I lived in America.