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Dan Neidle

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The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

So whenever you have a VAT cut in one service, the evidence suggests that it's the producer who gets it, not the consumer.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

When VAT was abolished on e-books, that followed a long campaign by the publishing industry who promised it would reduce prices.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

It didn't.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

We couldn't see any change in prices at all.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

All the benefit went to people selling e-books.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Same would happen here.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

So, yes, that would help small, struggling family restaurants that are currently having difficulty.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

But most of the money wouldn't go there.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Most of it would go to the really big guys, chain restaurants, large hotels.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Why are we giving money to the rich?

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

If you go to the man or woman in the street and say, hey, we're going to cut VAT on a product.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Do you think the person selling the product is going to pass on that benefit or are they going to keep it to themselves?

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

I think most people's intuition would be, well, of course, they'll keep it to themselves.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

And the evidence across Europe studying over 100 VAT cuts has shown that's what happens.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

You might think so, but the evidence suggests that in the main, in fact, almost entirely, that doesn't happen, that the difference is kept as additional profit.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Well, it's a very inefficient way to do it.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

If you wanted something targeted at struggling small businesses, you could think about ways of doing that rather than a 10 billion VAT cut, most of which will not be going to those guys, but will go to large chains.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

Well, I take the opposite view, which is that it's a bad feature of VAT systems to tax different things differently.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

And when people laugh at disputes over Jaffa Cakes, disputes over whether rotisserie chicken is taxed or not, it's because we have a complicated VAT system which taxes lots of things differently.

The Rest Is Money
286. Dan Neidle: Pubs don’t deserve a VAT cut

We're much better off having a simpler system with a lower rate of VAT that applies to everything.