Dan Pfeiffer

Your colleague, Stephanie Rule, I think spoke to me there last night or this morning and had a 15 minute interview with him.

Just first, let's start it from your perspective as a concept for what sort of agita would it give you?

If if reporters were just calling Barack Obama or Joe Biden on their cell phones, like at all times, he's just picking up the call and you're discovering he took the call by the tweet.

You know, I would have marched.

I would have taken I would have met them at their house, take it, put them in a car and driven directly back to the Sunday show to refute it.

On the question of access right there.

You know, I was one of the people who was pretty critical of Biden, particularly the last couple of years for not doing enough communicating, not talking to enough people.

I've been of the view that Democrats that in this media age, politicians need to be communicating all the time.

That approach has benefited.

trump in a lot of ways it helped get him here so there's two questions on the self thing one is like as a member of the media what do you make of just the fact that we is it like is that uh put it put the specifics of trump's aside but like is it a good thing that people can just call the president at all times um and then like what do you see as the limits of this as a communication strategy

All of them on your show and our show.

But primarily your show and our show.

They can do the bulwark just after us.

Yeah, look, I mean every president does the access thing.

When we were – I mean when we worked for Obama.

We did tons of off-the-records and like – Yeah, we would bring in columnists off-the-record all the time to meet with Obama.

You'd bring in people – you do all the record stuff too.

But one of the ways you just – like you hope it shapes coverage.

And it's not just like grifting in terms of shaping coverage.

Like the idea of the off-the-record conversation is to have –