Dan Pfeiffer

His own DNI and CIA director would not say that under oath yesterday.

And we just sort of like, ah, Trump says things, you know?

And so there is like, I won't even take it seriously, but it's like, there is something that's like uncomfortable with the breathless, like,

selfie videos reporters are taking, which is like, I just got off the phone with Trump and here's what we told me.

And it's like, well, what's the context for that?

What does that contradict?

It contradicts what he said before, what he's going to say after.

I don't know the right answer.

I'm not a reporter.

It's not for me to decide, but there is just something uncomfortable with

Like, I both want people that reporters who take what he says seriously and hold him to account for those things, but also not treat his every utterance as like this huge exclusive get when he's just vomiting words into your phone.

You know, it's like it's very hard.

It's hard.

The, the other thing about this is I remember in, I was actually thinking I was coming to see you in the white house after the election in 2016.

Oh God.

And,

And I was in town.

I think I came in to see you in my old office.

And then I went in to see Obama.

And as I was walking in, Susan Rice, who was National Security Advisor at the time, and a bunch of the national security people had just walked out.