Dan Pfeiffer

I want to talk about this.

I think I don't want this to come across as an intervention because it's not yet.

I don't want it to come across as me being critical of you because I'm not.

I'm genuinely inquisitive.

No.

As I try to tell you, you need to start telling people that Offline's title is ironic at this point.

Yeah.

It didn't start that way.

You were genuinely concerned about people being online, and the product of doing that podcast for years was being more online.

But here's the thing.

We were in the White House.

I once told Barack Obama that you had the most common sense of anyone on his team.

And that if we brought an idea to you, because sometimes...

like an idea would form in meetings and the end execution of that is always a speech.

And then, and then like me or Axelrod or David Plouffe, we'd go to your office and we would say, John, here's the idea.

And you would always be mad that someone that signed a speech, they'll talk to you about it, which was a very fair point on your part.

But if you thought the idea was crazy, I would really question whether like, I was like, oh, that's a, that's a good, that's like a good check.

And I generally think you have excellent judgment.

So,

what is going on here?