Dan Pfeiffer

Yeah.

But they didn't try.

And one of the reasons why I think they didn't try –

is the people around Trump who wanted to do this knew that if you talked about it, everyone would say, don't do this.

And so they really tried to make the biggest, most dangerous, most consequential decision a president makes on the cheap.

Yes.

Ever.

There was no polling at the outset of the Vietnam War, but I suspect this would be even more popular than that.

And you'll never know if you've got it all.

The whole thing is a disaster.

One interesting thing I'm curious your take on as a communications staffer and a member of the media now is one of the ways in which Trump has been communicating about the war is not through your typical national televised press conference, although he has done one of those, or an address to the nation.

is that he is basically just doing a lot of communicating.

But he's not calling anyone.

He's just picking up random calls from reporters.

Tommy tried to call him on the show last week because his number is so available that Tommy was able to get it.

Your colleague, Stephanie Rule, I think spoke to me there last night or this morning and had a 15 minute interview with him.

Just first, let's start it from your perspective as a concept for what sort of agita would it give you?

If if reporters were just calling Barack Obama or Joe Biden on their cell phones, like at all times, he's just picking up the call and you're discovering he took the call by the tweet.

You know, I would have marched.

I would have taken I would have met them at their house, take it, put them in a car and driven directly back to the Sunday show to refute it.