Dan Pfeiffer

There are always, I could talk to you anytime, and unfortunately, because we live on other sides of the country, we only get to talk to each other on podcasts mostly.

Yes, yes.

Please emphasize we're sold out for everyone to know.

There's always a good time to talk to Jen Psaki, but this is a particularly good time given what's happening in the world.

And before you were a cable news star and a White House press secretary, you also very specifically worked at the State Department as a spokesperson and –

people may not know this, at the outset of the Obama administration, you were the person in charge of economic messenger during the financial crisis.

We're now in the middle of a war and a emerging global economic crisis because of said war.

And so you have a lot of expertise to bring to this.

And I want to have a conversation here that takes a little bit of a step back and looks at

Of course, what's happening in the world, but also your perspective on how Trump is selling this war.

But before we get to that, what's just your reaction to – what was your reaction when you woke up that Saturday morning to discover that we had gone to war with Iran?

Both your reaction as a person, an American, and a member of the media would have to cover said war.

We're now three weeks into the war.

Things seem to be getting worse, not better.

They are expanding, not contracting.

We seem to be further away from extricating ourselves than we were three weeks ago.

And as we sit here recording this on Friday morning, there is reporting that the White House is getting closer to using ground troops.

There are some White House aides quoted on background saying how ground troops have been used in every war.

Why wouldn't they be used here?

That it's not that big a deal.