Dan Pfeiffer

Oh, also, I'm Julianna Stratton.

I'm from the south side of Chicago.

I want to abolish ICE.

I'm going to do these things.

And then it shows popular governor, J.B.

Yeah, being the fuck Trump lady helps.

And in Illinois, there's no consequences for doing that because she's going to win the general election.

If Jasmine Crockett or –

you know, Mallory McMorrow or Janet Mills won a primary on a fuck Trump.

Maybe that would work in Maine, but on a fuck Trump message in a, in a purple or red state, maybe there's consequence for that.

I don't know.

But the lesson to me from it is you have to get your message heard and you have to be willing to break with old ways of doing politics, get your message heard and take some risks.

Cause she was, she was trailing by a lot at the time.

So it's like, what do you have to lose?

That's that is the I mean, can you imagine what the Democratic presidential primary is going to be like in that situation?

Like I was even thinking back to the 04 primary.

which you worked on for John Kerry.

Yeah, I did.

But I just remember there was, like, this bidding war of, like...

people saying Bush was the worst president ever.