Dan Pfeiffer

People are like, ugh.

I believe... Once again, we have shared the same bias here of being people who truly learned about politics from Barack Obama.

Yeah.

But I do believe...

to the core of my soul that the best Democratic candidate in 2028 is going to be someone who seems both tough enough to fight for people and fight against a broken system and to hold the people who exploited that system under Trump to account for their crimes, but also is appealing to something bigger and better.

The idea that we as a country

are better than what we have had for the last 15 years of Donald Trump at that point, right?

It's not – it's a more hardened version of Obama in 08 for sure.

We've been through a lot in that time.

But there is – that we are better than this like counterproductive, non –

Never ending division in this country that we're seeing from in our politics, in our media, in social media, there's something better than this and that we are better than this as a country and that people will want that.

I do truly believe that if we survive long enough to get there as a nation, but like and who that candidate is.

Great question.

Does that, can it exist?

I don't know.

They'll have to prove themselves, but I think that's where we have to get to.

And you may have to say, you should say fuck Trump along the way, and you shouldn't hesitate to say that, but it's got to be something bigger than that.

Everyone is the answer.

Everyone will be in it.

It's going to be, it's going to be fascinating.