Dan Savage

Like the heaven is the internal beauty, beautiful family, relationship, community, world that I can almost see and touch. And my job is to bring it to the earth in a way that everybody can see it as possible marching orders, which can feel freaking hard and heavy because we can never figure out how to actually put the unseen order into action.

Like the heaven is the internal beauty, beautiful family, relationship, community, world that I can almost see and touch. And my job is to bring it to the earth in a way that everybody can see it as possible marching orders, which can feel freaking hard and heavy because we can never figure out how to actually put the unseen order into action.

Yeah. And think about the fact that when an artist or, okay, I'll use myself for an example. I could not figure out how to make my primary romantic relationship be even close to as true and beautiful as I believed two people can be together. I'm talking about my first marriage. It was like, whoa, no, my first marriage. Like I, all of my writing was pointing towards that.

Yeah. And think about the fact that when an artist or, okay, I'll use myself for an example. I could not figure out how to make my primary romantic relationship be even close to as true and beautiful as I believed two people can be together. I'm talking about my first marriage. It was like, whoa, no, my first marriage. Like I, all of my writing was pointing towards that.

I can't even look at Love Warrior anymore. I feel heartbroken for both of us, for Craig and me. It was a,

I can't even look at Love Warrior anymore. I feel heartbroken for both of us, for Craig and me. It was a,

anxious struggle to be like this isn't it like how do we make it better it was the gap between what was the kind of marriage we had and what I had inside of me as a vision for what a marriage could be between two people the gap was so vast that it was so painful okay and some good art came out of it yes when I met you and we built this life together the gap is not there anymore

anxious struggle to be like this isn't it like how do we make it better it was the gap between what was the kind of marriage we had and what I had inside of me as a vision for what a marriage could be between two people the gap was so vast that it was so painful okay and some good art came out of it yes when I met you and we built this life together the gap is not there anymore

I mean, I've got other gaps, but like the gap, it's not the easiest thing. I mean, we work for it, but there's not a gaping gap anymore. And I stopped writing. Like I didn't, what Rachel is saying is there is a truth in it. When the gap is lessened between what a person like me knows could be, and then they finally get the thing.

I mean, I've got other gaps, but like the gap, it's not the easiest thing. I mean, we work for it, but there's not a gaping gap anymore. And I stopped writing. Like I didn't, what Rachel is saying is there is a truth in it. When the gap is lessened between what a person like me knows could be, and then they finally get the thing.

there is less of an internal struggle to describe the gap, to point people towards the gap, to be the prophet in the desert of the marriage going, it could, ah, put on your hair shirt. There just is a sort of, ah, that then relates in less struggling art.

there is less of an internal struggle to describe the gap, to point people towards the gap, to be the prophet in the desert of the marriage going, it could, ah, put on your hair shirt. There just is a sort of, ah, that then relates in less struggling art.

Yeah, that's an artist.

Yeah, that's an artist.

Yeah, that's artistry. The gap between existing Boston cream puffs And the truest, most beautiful Boston cream pie she could possibly imagine was insufferable to her.

Yeah, that's artistry. The gap between existing Boston cream puffs And the truest, most beautiful Boston cream pie she could possibly imagine was insufferable to her.

The gap between the two, the fact that that hadn't been born onto the earth was so insufferable to her that she was willing to spend years making sure that she brought to earth the heavenly cream pie that was being born inside of her. That is artistry. Yes.

The gap between the two, the fact that that hadn't been born onto the earth was so insufferable to her that she was willing to spend years making sure that she brought to earth the heavenly cream pie that was being born inside of her. That is artistry. Yes.

Exactly. I do worry about that. And I don't have a super great answer. I haven't figured it out completely, but I'll tell you, I've written 50,000 words. I've written a book's worth of essays in about that time and I will probably never publish them. There's an energy that I'm not interested in exploring publicly right now. There's something about that sort of suffering.

Exactly. I do worry about that. And I don't have a super great answer. I haven't figured it out completely, but I'll tell you, I've written 50,000 words. I've written a book's worth of essays in about that time and I will probably never publish them. There's an energy that I'm not interested in exploring publicly right now. There's something about that sort of suffering.