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Dan Wang

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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

So if we have much broader AI in our lives, we're going to be using AI for all of our queries.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

We're going to also demand much more power than we currently have.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

And the US has not been doing very well on adding new power to the grid.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

As I said, it is only going to be adding something like 50 gigawatts of solar this year, relative to 500 in China.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

No new nuclear plants under construction.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

Maybe that will change because the Trump administration is more friendly towards nuclear.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

But the U.S.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

has simply not added much by way of power.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

And China, I think, as a civilization, as the engineering state civilization, is just very interested in making sure that no heavy industry ever goes hungry for power.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

And so just the scale of the electrical production in China is just vastly outpacing the U.S.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

The question of talent is always very fluid.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

Right now, how many researchers really matter for artificial intelligence?

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

I don't know if the figure is more like 10,000 or more like 1,000.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

And within the 1,000, it seems like China has a lot of really good talent, which is represented by DeepSeek earlier this year.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

which showed that it's not only Silicon Valley that can produce really good reasoning models.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

And at least from what we can tell in some of the publicly listed hires for Meta's superintelligence lab, a substantial number of these really elite, I think there are 11 engineers who are publicly disclosed, something like seven of them had gone to Chinese universities.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

And I believe they're all Chinese nationals.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

And I think there's some sense of nervousness among some folks in Silicon Valley that some of these really elite engineers might pack up their bags and decide to repatriate back to China for a variety of reasons.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

Either because ByteDance is offering a much better, a comparable pay package to them, and they can live a much more comfortable life in Beijing or Shanghai.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Dan Wang - The US vs China In The 21st Century - [Invest Like the Best, EP.444]

Maybe they just want the better noodles, which California doesn't really have.