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Dana El-Kurd

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

We're going to go on one more break and then return to discuss two more charges.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

Okay, we're back.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

Nine of the counts, count one, two, four, and five through ten, cited Pinkerton versus United States 1946.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

The judge explained this to the jury by saying that a defendant can be criminally liable for the offenses committed by another co-conspirator if the offense was, quote, reasonably foreseeable and committed in furtherance of the conspiracy.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

With the judge writing in jury instructions, quote, a defendant can be found guilty and held criminally liable for an offense under Pinkerton co-conspirator liability, even if the defendant was not charged with conspiracy.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

It is not required that the conspiracy agrees to commit or facilitate each and every part of a substantive offense that is in furtherance of the conspiracy.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

A defendant must merely reach an agreement with the specific intent that the underlying criminal objective be achieved by the conspiracy."

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

unquote.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

Early in the trial, prosecution argued that Song firing on the officers was quote-unquote reasonably foreseeable based on the planning of the action and previous statements made by Song.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

But this Pickerton liability also applied to the other charges, including riot, material support to terrorism, and the explosive charge.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

The jury found all defendants that were charged guilty of counts one, two, three, and four.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

That's riot, material support, and two explosive charges.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

but did not find the other defendants, besides Song, guilty of attempted murder or discharging a firearm using the Pinkerton co-conspirator liability.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

The prosecution wanted the other individuals at the protest to be found guilty of the charges of attempted murder using the liability, and the jury did not do that.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

Let's talk about two of the charges that now carry some worrying potential to be used against protesters in the future based on the precedent that this case sets.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

First, the conspiracy to use and carry an explosive and using and carrying an explosive during a riot.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

The only quote-unquote explosives at this noise demonstration protest are

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

were fireworks.

Behind the Bastards
It Could Happen Here Weekly 225

And the judge even confirmed that it was established that the fireworks caused no damage to the ICE facility.