Daniel Immerwahr

And yeah, Trump has very little interest in the rhetoric of that.

He actually sees it as a constraint and an imposition.

And that press conference was incredible because he did start out

With a reason, right?

It had to do with the importation of drugs into the United States, and you could, I guess, maybe call that an act of war if you really wanted to.

But then just so quickly, that pretext just slipped away, and then he started talking about the oil.

I don't think he even argued the point that there are other countries who import far more by way of narcotics.

Yeah, yeah, no, he's, I mean, because you can pick holes in that pretext very easily.

Is Venezuela really the main concern if the concern is the importation of drugs?

And it just, you got the sense that Trump just didn't care, like absolutely didn't care.

Now, in your book, How to Hide an Empire, you dug into America's interest in Greenland back in the mid-20th century.

It's on the cover of the book.

Yes.

So tell me a little bit about that, because suddenly, just days after the invasion of Venezuela, we have Stephen Miller, one of the closest aides to the President of the United States, talking about how we are going to exercise power the way it was exercised, and Greenland's next, quite possibly.

I will say that it is rhetorically distinct what the Trump administration has done in Venezuela.

But it is not a new thing in the last couple of decades.

There are other instances where the United States has sought to hunt down a leader or invaded a country, you know, various coup attempts, all that kind of thing.

What is really new from the last perspective of the last couple of decades is for a presidential administration to say, we would like to claim a colony.

We would like to annex new lands to the United States.

And we understand that the