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Daniel Kokotajlo

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Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

So we were just getting lunch with a prominent Washington, D.C.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

political journalist, and he was making the point that when he talks to these Congress people, when he talks to political leaders, none of them are at all awake to the possibility even of stronger AI systems, let alone HEI, let alone superhuman intelligence.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

I think a lot of your...

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

forecast relies on at some point, not only the US president, but also Xi Jinping, wake up to the possibility of a super intelligence and the stakes involved there.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Why think that even when you show Trump the remote worker demo, he's going to be like, oh, and therefore in 2028, there will be a super intelligence.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Whoever controls that will be God Emperor forever.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Maybe not that extreme.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

You see what I'm saying?

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Like, why not?

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Why wouldn't he just be like, oh, there'll be a stronger remote worker in 2029, a better remote worker in 2031.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Is this good or bad?

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

That the president and the companies are like... I think it's bad.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

So if the big bottleneck to the good future here is just putting in not this Eliezer-type galaxy brain, high volatility, you know, there's a 1% chance this works, but we've got to come up with this crazy scheme in order to make alignment work.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

But rather, as Daniel, you were saying, more like, hey, do the obvious thing of making sure you can read how the AI is thinking.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Make sure you're monitoring the AIs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Make sure they're not forming some sort of hive mind where you can't really understand how the millions of them are coordinating with each other.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

To the extent that, and I want to stay short forward, but to the extent that it is a matter of prioritizing it, closing all the obvious loopholes, it does make sense to leave it in the hands of people who have at least said that this is a thing that's worth doing, have been thinking about it for a while.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

And I worry about...