Daniel P. Driscoll

And I've gotten to hear more of the story.

And so what's so annoying and what's so...

unsettling about most things in life, tying back to your very first question, it's complicated.

So what ended up happening is in the 90s, late 80s, early 90s, the Army and the Navy and the Air Force and the Pentagon went to the primes that existed.

There might have been, let's say, 50 of them.

And we said, hey, the world is safer.

We're not going to need as many of you.

You all have to consolidate down because we just are not going to, our defense industrial base, we're not going to be able to support a big enough one.

So they all kind of spent a couple of years consolidating down.

And then what ended up happening is you basically—you learn more about how we spend money and how we show our demand signal.

And so you may have Secretary of the Army Dan Driscoll saying a thing, but the average tenure of a SEC army, I think, is 23 months.

So I rotate out.

The next one comes in.

They might have their own priorities.

You have the Senate with its priorities.

You have Congress.

You have all of these bureaucrats.

And so we're really bad at telling them what we want to buy in a way that they can believe and invest against that demand signal.

And so what you end up having is things like cost plus come to be, where almost everybody says that is an offensive model and way to pay.

a provider of services because they're obviously incentivized to take longer to make more into their expense base so they can charge you more.