Daniel

I like your separation of that.

So then if something ever happens to the company, it's not like your whole world is then imploding with it.

Uh,

We see founders who exit or they raise money and their company is taken over and they're kicked out of their own company, which is always quite sad.

But I imagine if you can disassociate yourself, you know that, okay, I can just go do something else at this point versus never letting it go.

So where do you see the future of just for yourself when you look at, okay, what do you want to do with the company?

Do you look at things in terms of, I want to hold a company for a legacy, for...

pass it down through generations.

I want to exit the company.

I want to advise companies.

I want to invest.

I want to do a new company.

How do you look at things for the future when it comes to business for you?

I think that can make for a healthy approach because you just never know what's going to come.

Back in 2018, somebody had offered to buy one of the companies that we had.

And I was quite insulted because at the time, I didn't realize that you should probably sell if you get the chance to at a high note.

And then within a year, that company no longer existed.

So that was a learning moment for me.

Have you had any of these learning moments for you?

That's a valuable lesson.