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Vance initially tried to get Trump to back off of announcing that big round of tariffs in April.
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Republican Healthcare Vote, Susie Wiles Interview, Nuclear Reactor Regulations
But in addition, Wiles is just blunt about people.
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Republican Healthcare Vote, Susie Wiles Interview, Nuclear Reactor Regulations
She calls Vance a conspiracy theorist whose conversion from anti to pro-Trump was, quote, sort of political.
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Republican Healthcare Vote, Susie Wiles Interview, Nuclear Reactor Regulations
And she really pointedly criticizes Attorney General Pam Bondi for her initial handling of Jeffrey Epstein disclosures.
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Yeah, some people do.
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Republican Healthcare Vote, Susie Wiles Interview, Nuclear Reactor Regulations
And this really got a lot of attention on social media because of it.
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But there's a lot of nuance here, really.
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The picture that emerges is that you have all these personalities in that White House, some of whom, yeah, aren't described 100 percent glowingly, but that Wiles is this no-nonsense force just herding them all together in the service of Trump's agenda.
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And even when it seems here like she might have criticized Trump, the truth is just more complex.
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For example, there's a quote that got a lot of attention where she said Trump has an alcoholic personality.
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But in context, what she was saying is that Trump has a big, exaggerated personality and that he, quote, operates with a view that there is nothing he can't do.
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Well, that's news to no one.
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Yeah, I think we knew that.
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Republican Healthcare Vote, Susie Wiles Interview, Nuclear Reactor Regulations
Well, so how is the White House responding to this?
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Well, Wiles was not happy.
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She did a rare social media post calling this a hit piece, saying that she thought the article was trying to, quote, paint an overwhelmingly chaotic and negative narrative.
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And Trump officials have circled the wagons, too.
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Trump even did a specific interview on this with the New York Post.
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And he backed up Wiles and even agreed with that alcoholic line, saying that, yeah, while he doesn't drink, he does have an addictive personality.
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Vance also defended Wiles yesterday.