Danielle Kurtzleben

But there's another move he has made this year, which is he has fired the heads of some of these agencies, commissioners at like the National Labor Relations Board, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. That is something that presidents just haven't done. Like I've said, the idea is a president shouldn't be able to fire those people for political purposes.

But there's another move he has made this year, which is he has fired the heads of some of these agencies, commissioners at like the National Labor Relations Board, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. That is something that presidents just haven't done. Like I've said, the idea is a president shouldn't be able to fire those people for political purposes.

That goes hand in hand with what he is doing here, claiming this power. And the idea of claiming power over these agencies and being able to fire those heads, that is in Project 2025, that conservative blueprint for government.

That goes hand in hand with what he is doing here, claiming this power. And the idea of claiming power over these agencies and being able to fire those heads, that is in Project 2025, that conservative blueprint for government.

That goes hand in hand with what he is doing here, claiming this power. And the idea of claiming power over these agencies and being able to fire those heads, that is in Project 2025, that conservative blueprint for government.

And Russell Vogt, the head of OMB that I mentioned, who's in charge of all of this, after Donald Trump was elected, very much said, hey, independent agencies ain't going to be independent.

And Russell Vogt, the head of OMB that I mentioned, who's in charge of all of this, after Donald Trump was elected, very much said, hey, independent agencies ain't going to be independent.

And Russell Vogt, the head of OMB that I mentioned, who's in charge of all of this, after Donald Trump was elected, very much said, hey, independent agencies ain't going to be independent.

I was asking a legal scholar as I was reporting on this, OK, let's say I am the head of the FCC, the Federal Communications Commission, and I don't want to do what Trump has told me to do in this order. Can I take this to court? Is that how this could reach the Supreme Court? And he said, well... He doesn't know of how that would work in terms of me being able to take that to court.

I was asking a legal scholar as I was reporting on this, OK, let's say I am the head of the FCC, the Federal Communications Commission, and I don't want to do what Trump has told me to do in this order. Can I take this to court? Is that how this could reach the Supreme Court? And he said, well... He doesn't know of how that would work in terms of me being able to take that to court.

I was asking a legal scholar as I was reporting on this, OK, let's say I am the head of the FCC, the Federal Communications Commission, and I don't want to do what Trump has told me to do in this order. Can I take this to court? Is that how this could reach the Supreme Court? And he said, well... He doesn't know of how that would work in terms of me being able to take that to court.

But either way, under this president, this particular president, if I don't want to do what he tells me, he's going to fire me. Right. And he has already shown that he will fire the heads of these agencies. And at that point, I might sue and say that my termination was unlawful. The thing is, that has already happened.

But either way, under this president, this particular president, if I don't want to do what he tells me, he's going to fire me. Right. And he has already shown that he will fire the heads of these agencies. And at that point, I might sue and say that my termination was unlawful. The thing is, that has already happened.

But either way, under this president, this particular president, if I don't want to do what he tells me, he's going to fire me. Right. And he has already shown that he will fire the heads of these agencies. And at that point, I might sue and say that my termination was unlawful. The thing is, that has already happened.

We've had a commissioner, for example, from the National Labor Relations Board who has who is suing and saying, you can't fire me, but you just did. when those cases, should they, and I want to stress should, make it to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will have the opportunity to clarify what they think about the independence of these agencies.

We've had a commissioner, for example, from the National Labor Relations Board who has who is suing and saying, you can't fire me, but you just did. when those cases, should they, and I want to stress should, make it to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will have the opportunity to clarify what they think about the independence of these agencies.

We've had a commissioner, for example, from the National Labor Relations Board who has who is suing and saying, you can't fire me, but you just did. when those cases, should they, and I want to stress should, make it to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will have the opportunity to clarify what they think about the independence of these agencies.

But as Mara just said, this particular Supreme Court has proven itself very willing in the last few years to chip away at that independence via a whole range of rulings.

But as Mara just said, this particular Supreme Court has proven itself very willing in the last few years to chip away at that independence via a whole range of rulings.

But as Mara just said, this particular Supreme Court has proven itself very willing in the last few years to chip away at that independence via a whole range of rulings.