Danielle

And I'm not trying to pat myself on the back, but Laura Owens could never be anything close to me.

I would want her to know how much she's hurt me, but she did not break me.

That ultimately, the life that she missed out on is tragic.

And I do feel bad for her.

To never experience the love that I have with my husband, the love that I have with my children...

The friendships that I have worked to keep for as long as I have, like, that is a shame.

That's a real shame.

And ultimately, get help.

All of the men that had been involved at one point or another had said, like, if you just like take accountability and say you're guilty and like get help, like we would accept that.

I know Clayton had said that.

I know Mike had said that.

These men were willing to walk away from her with just an apology and her taking accountability.

And she'll just have to pay the price now.

Ultimately, the mockery that she has made of all of these systems that serve real victims is what gets me really fired up.

She just lacks empathy.

It's incomprehensible the amount that she has wasted.

And it is so wonderful that they exist, but they can't help everybody.

okay uh we've got a message from danielle from stains hello romesh and shanti it's danielle here i absolutely love your podcast shanti you're an absolute icon i can't wait for your upcoming cooking show romesh may remember me from being part of the makeup team on his show avoidance a few years ago we all had such a good time it was such a fun job

My question is for Shanti.

If you had to pitch the creatures, as Ramesh calls them, that sit behind the camera up to the single girlies of the UK, how would you describe them?