Dara Khosrowshahi

Yeah. If you're 10 times safer, you know, fast forward 25 years from now, like who knows what it will be, 4,000 deaths a year, right? So a little more than 10 a day. And like if you have four companies... that are responsible for the marketplace, five companies, right? And there are 10 deaths a day. Like a good day is, hey, we only had one fatality. That's a good day.

Like, it's just, I can't imagine that. And so there's this, well, does it have to be 10 times better? I don't think that's good enough. Does it have to be a hundred times better? Maybe that's not good enough. So like from a societal standpoint, of course, if it's a hundred times better, We should go forward with it, but that would mean there are 400 fatalities a year, one every single day.

Like, it's just, I can't imagine that. And so there's this, well, does it have to be 10 times better? I don't think that's good enough. Does it have to be a hundred times better? Maybe that's not good enough. So like from a societal standpoint, of course, if it's a hundred times better, We should go forward with it, but that would mean there are 400 fatalities a year, one every single day.

And I don't know how society would deal with that. Society is very, I don't want to call it forgiving, but they understand humans are human and humans make mistakes.

And I don't know how society would deal with that. Society is very, I don't want to call it forgiving, but they understand humans are human and humans make mistakes.

Listen, we had this unbelievably unfortunate circumstance in Phoenix, and it caused us to completely redesign how we built for safety first, etc. Ultimately, because of the pandemic, we decided to get out of self-driving, which I think it was a good decision because our core skill set is building this demand network, connecting demand to supply in a dynamic way, etc.,

Listen, we had this unbelievably unfortunate circumstance in Phoenix, and it caused us to completely redesign how we built for safety first, etc. Ultimately, because of the pandemic, we decided to get out of self-driving, which I think it was a good decision because our core skill set is building this demand network, connecting demand to supply in a dynamic way, etc.,

And we now get to work with a bunch of partners and like Waymo's a partner, Aurora's a partner, et cetera. So we get to work with a much larger ecosystem. But I think the question of that last 2%, And then what is society ready, you know, what safety will society underwrite to? Those two questions, you know, are for me unanswerable.

And we now get to work with a bunch of partners and like Waymo's a partner, Aurora's a partner, et cetera. So we get to work with a much larger ecosystem. But I think the question of that last 2%, And then what is society ready, you know, what safety will society underwrite to? Those two questions, you know, are for me unanswerable.

My instinct is that you will see small scale continued experiments kind of get bigger over the next five years, but it's going to take a good 10 years for it to be a material part of our network or transportation at large.

My instinct is that you will see small scale continued experiments kind of get bigger over the next five years, but it's going to take a good 10 years for it to be a material part of our network or transportation at large.

But still, like the service for certain originations and destinations, it works. The pickup, you know, again, it's okay for a human driver to double park for a pickup, not okay for a robot. So there's like, again, when you get into the detail, if you look at our ride share service, for example, if our fulfill rate,

But still, like the service for certain originations and destinations, it works. The pickup, you know, again, it's okay for a human driver to double park for a pickup, not okay for a robot. So there's like, again, when you get into the detail, if you look at our ride share service, for example, if our fulfill rate,

which is the percentage of time someone asks for a ride and then there's a car available. If that's less than call it 98%, that's like all hands on deck, like it's a disaster. So like we are available all the time, everywhere, et cetera. And there's a lot of work that goes into that.

which is the percentage of time someone asks for a ride and then there's a car available. If that's less than call it 98%, that's like all hands on deck, like it's a disaster. So like we are available all the time, everywhere, et cetera. And there's a lot of work that goes into that.

For any singular ride share provider to provide that kind of coverage is gonna be really, really difficult, which why ultimately we think the better solution is for the Waymos of the world, Auroras of the world, et cetera, mobilize to work with us so that you have this kind of hybrid transition state where you can still have this 98% coverage,

For any singular ride share provider to provide that kind of coverage is gonna be really, really difficult, which why ultimately we think the better solution is for the Waymos of the world, Auroras of the world, et cetera, mobilize to work with us so that you have this kind of hybrid transition state where you can still have this 98% coverage,

everywhere no matter what weather it is etc but we have this smart kind of switching layer sometimes a human should come pick you up sometimes a robot should come pick you up but the transition is going to take a while but it's it is happening it's cool all right last lightning round question and then i have a closing segment if you could only own uber eats or uber the transportation business which one would you rather own also eats is a transportation business

everywhere no matter what weather it is etc but we have this smart kind of switching layer sometimes a human should come pick you up sometimes a robot should come pick you up but the transition is going to take a while but it's it is happening it's cool all right last lightning round question and then i have a closing segment if you could only own uber eats or uber the transportation business which one would you rather own also eats is a transportation business

It's just transportation of stuff. You can't ask me that.