Dario Amodei

So you put all of these things together and it's still not perfect. You still see behaviors that you don't quite want to see, right? You know, you still see the model like refusing things that it just doesn't make sense to refuse, right? Um, but I, I, I think trying to, trying to solve this challenge, right.

So you put all of these things together and it's still not perfect. You still see behaviors that you don't quite want to see, right? You know, you still see the model like refusing things that it just doesn't make sense to refuse, right? Um, but I, I, I think trying to, trying to solve this challenge, right.

So you put all of these things together and it's still not perfect. You still see behaviors that you don't quite want to see, right? You know, you still see the model like refusing things that it just doesn't make sense to refuse, right? Um, but I, I, I think trying to, trying to solve this challenge, right.

Trying to stop the model from doing, you know, genuinely bad things that, you know, know what everyone agrees it shouldn't do. Right. You know, everyone, everyone, you know, everyone agrees that, you know, the model shouldn't talk about, you know, I, I don't know, child abuse material. Right. Like everyone agrees the model shouldn't do that.

Trying to stop the model from doing, you know, genuinely bad things that, you know, know what everyone agrees it shouldn't do. Right. You know, everyone, everyone, you know, everyone agrees that, you know, the model shouldn't talk about, you know, I, I don't know, child abuse material. Right. Like everyone agrees the model shouldn't do that.

Trying to stop the model from doing, you know, genuinely bad things that, you know, know what everyone agrees it shouldn't do. Right. You know, everyone, everyone, you know, everyone agrees that, you know, the model shouldn't talk about, you know, I, I don't know, child abuse material. Right. Like everyone agrees the model shouldn't do that.

Uh, but, but at the same time that it doesn't refuse in these dumb and stupid ways. I think drawing that line as finely as possible, approaching perfectly is still a challenge and we're getting better at it every day, but there's a lot to be solved. And again, I would point to that as an indicator of a challenge ahead in terms of steering much more powerful models. Yeah.

Uh, but, but at the same time that it doesn't refuse in these dumb and stupid ways. I think drawing that line as finely as possible, approaching perfectly is still a challenge and we're getting better at it every day, but there's a lot to be solved. And again, I would point to that as an indicator of a challenge ahead in terms of steering much more powerful models. Yeah.

Uh, but, but at the same time that it doesn't refuse in these dumb and stupid ways. I think drawing that line as finely as possible, approaching perfectly is still a challenge and we're getting better at it every day, but there's a lot to be solved. And again, I would point to that as an indicator of a challenge ahead in terms of steering much more powerful models. Yeah.

Do you think Claude 4.0 is ever coming out? I don't want to commit to any naming scheme because if I say here, we're going to have Claude 4 next year, and then we decide that we should start over because there's a new type of model. I don't want to commit to it. I would expect in a normal course of business that Claude 4 would come after Claude 3.5, but you never know in this wacky field, right?

Do you think Claude 4.0 is ever coming out? I don't want to commit to any naming scheme because if I say here, we're going to have Claude 4 next year, and then we decide that we should start over because there's a new type of model. I don't want to commit to it. I would expect in a normal course of business that Claude 4 would come after Claude 3.5, but you never know in this wacky field, right?

Do you think Claude 4.0 is ever coming out? I don't want to commit to any naming scheme because if I say here, we're going to have Claude 4 next year, and then we decide that we should start over because there's a new type of model. I don't want to commit to it. I would expect in a normal course of business that Claude 4 would come after Claude 3.5, but you never know in this wacky field, right?

Scaling is continuing. There will definitely be more powerful models coming from us than the models that exist today. That is certain. Or if there aren't, we've deeply failed as a company.

Scaling is continuing. There will definitely be more powerful models coming from us than the models that exist today. That is certain. Or if there aren't, we've deeply failed as a company.

Scaling is continuing. There will definitely be more powerful models coming from us than the models that exist today. That is certain. Or if there aren't, we've deeply failed as a company.

As much as I'm excited about the benefits of these models, and we'll talk about that if we talk about machines of loving grace, I'm worried about the risks, and I continue to be worried about the risks. No one should think that machines of loving grace was me saying I'm no longer worried about the risks of these models. I think they're two sides of the same coin.

As much as I'm excited about the benefits of these models, and we'll talk about that if we talk about machines of loving grace, I'm worried about the risks, and I continue to be worried about the risks. No one should think that machines of loving grace was me saying I'm no longer worried about the risks of these models. I think they're two sides of the same coin.

As much as I'm excited about the benefits of these models, and we'll talk about that if we talk about machines of loving grace, I'm worried about the risks, and I continue to be worried about the risks. No one should think that machines of loving grace was me saying I'm no longer worried about the risks of these models. I think they're two sides of the same coin.

The the power of the models and their ability to solve all these problems in biology, neuroscience, economic development, government, governance and peace, large parts of the economy. Those those come with risks as well. Right. With great power comes great responsibility. Right. That's the two are the two are paired. Things that are powerful can do good things and they can do bad things.

The the power of the models and their ability to solve all these problems in biology, neuroscience, economic development, government, governance and peace, large parts of the economy. Those those come with risks as well. Right. With great power comes great responsibility. Right. That's the two are the two are paired. Things that are powerful can do good things and they can do bad things.