Dario Amodei

And and, you know, that that the idea of meaning as as as kind of the only important thing is in some ways an artifact of of a small subset of people who have who have been economically fortunate. But I think all that said, I think a world is possible with powerful AI that not only has as much meaning for everyone, but that has more meaning for everyone, right?

That can allow everyone to see worlds and experiences that it was either possible for no one to see or possible for very few people to experience. So I am optimistic about meaning. economics and the concentration of power. That's actually what I worry about more. I worry about how do we make sure that that fair world reaches everyone.

When things have gone wrong for humans, they've often gone wrong because humans mistreat other humans. That is maybe in some ways even more than the autonomous risk of AI or the question of meaning. That is the thing I worry about most, the concentration of power, the abuse of power, structures like autocracies and dictatorships where a small number of people exploits a large number of people.

I'm very worried about that.

Yes, it's very frightening. It's very frightening.

One, I realized it would be very long. And two, I'm very aware of and very much try to avoid You know, just being, I don't know what the term for it is, but one of these people who's kind of overconfident and has an opinion on everything and kind of says a bunch of stuff and isn't an expert.

I very much tried to avoid that, but I have to admit, once I got the biology sections, like I wasn't an expert. And so as much as I expressed uncertainty, probably I said a bunch of things that were embarrassing or wrong.

Thanks for having me. I just hope we can get it right and make it real. And if there's one message I want to send, it's that... To get all this stuff right, to make it real, we both need to build the technology, build the companies, the economy around using this technology positively. But we also need to address the risks because those risks are in our way.

They're landmines on the way from here to there. And we have to defuse those landmines if we want to get there.

Like all things.

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